5 pin din - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

m1111p111 · 25th Sep 2010, 4:34 pm

A friend has asked me to look at a Ferguson 200TA stereo receiver which has no incorporated speaker, instead it has 2 5-pin din sockets for the speaker outputs. I have no 5-pin din sockets or leads. Does anybody know of a workaround which would allow me to test whether this unit was working without these connectors?

Boom · 25th Sep 2010, 4:37 pm

I've never seen a 5 pin DIN used for loudspeakers. It's usually 2 pin, one flat and one round.

m1111p111 · 25th Sep 2010, 4:46 pm

Thanks Dave. These are definitely 5-pin dins, and there are inputs for gram and tape which are also 5-pin dins. There are also two mains outlet sockets one of which has a miniature plug inserted of the old type, one large round pin at the top and 2 smaller round pins at the bottom. I suppose my question is, is it possible to connect a speaker cable direct to the speaker output without the 5-pin connector?

vinrads · 25th Sep 2010, 5:23 pm

I bet this is just a tuner , i have never seen a 5 pin din speaker socket,

m1111p111 · 25th Sep 2010, 5:31 pm

You're right, it is a tuner with gram and tape inputs, made in 1966.

ALANS ANITAS · 25th Sep 2010, 6:01 pm

Hi

5 pin DIN plugs are still widely available (though not as widely as 20years ago).

Your local Maplin will have them, but they are rather expensive. Try your local pound shops.

ALAN

Steve_P · 25th Sep 2010, 6:31 pm

I have seen a unit with 3 pn DIN plugs on the speakers. It was a Rigonda Party Time Calipso. Must get it out sometime.

Anyway, never seen 3 or 5 pn DIN used over here in this way. It's probably a tuner as previously stated.

Pictures tell us a lot, and it's nice to look at other people's gear, especially if you're as nosey as me! Get the camera out! And what's up witth it?

Cheers,

Steve P.

Tractorfan · 25th Sep 2010, 6:54 pm

Hi,
The 2amp round pin mains plug was probably intended to supply the associated amplifier and may be energised from the tuner on-off switch. Or, if it is a tuner-amp you've got, it was for the turntable. Sometimes there's two.
Cheers de Pete

Sideband · 25th Sep 2010, 7:50 pm

Like others, I suspect this is 'line' output only and will not drive speakers. You will need to connect this to an amplifier but it would make things a whole lot easier if you could show a good clear picture of the sockets.

5 pin DIN sockets normally have pins 1,4 as input and pins 3,5 as output. Pin 2 is common earth. There were various arrangements to the pin geometry. Most common was 180 degree 5 pin. There was also 180 degree 3 pin, 240 degree 5/6 pin and 270 degree 5/6 pin. There was also a 360 degree 5 pin (sometimes called a domino) used for headphones. The speaker socket was commonly 2 pin, one flat and one round.

SB

roffe · 25th Sep 2010, 7:53 pm

Apparently it's a tuner-amplifier with 7W/ch in the "Unit Audio Series"
Pages 7-8:
http://www.gramophone.net/Issue/Page...TS#header-logo

Sideband · 25th Sep 2010, 8:25 pm

...and it states '3 pin DIN sockets for loudspeakers'. Not unknown but certainly not very common. So now we know!

SB

25th Sep 2010, 10:09 pm

To answer the OPs question, strip a bit of small flex and stuff it in the hole(s) don't use a solid pin as it will bend the socket.

m1111p111 · 27th Sep 2010, 5:12 pm

Thanks for the replies.
It does have 2 mains outlets on the back as mentioned earlier, so I suppose it's an early music centre but the tape deck, gram etc need to be conected to this unit as opposed to being incorporated.
On inspection it's been got at and has a broken case where 2 of the chassis retaining screws sit.
He has a pitch in an antique and collectables centre, he got it for £3 and I don't have the time to work on it, so he's marked it up with a small profit and will sell it on. It's not really my cup of tea otherwise I would have had a go at it.

Thanks again,

Mark.

25th Sep 2010, 4:34 pm	#1
m1111p111 Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Burnley, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 22	5 pin din A friend has asked me to look at a Ferguson 200TA stereo receiver which has no incorporated speaker, instead it has 2 5-pin din sockets for the speaker outputs. I have no 5-pin din sockets or leads. Does anybody know of a workaround which would allow me to test whether this unit was working without these connectors?

25th Sep 2010, 4:37 pm	#2
Boom Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Westbury, Wiltshire, UK. Posts: 2,451	Re: 5 pin din I've never seen a 5 pin DIN used for loudspeakers. It's usually 2 pin, one flat and one round.

25th Sep 2010, 4:46 pm	#3
m1111p111 Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Burnley, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 22	Re: 5 pin din Thanks Dave. These are definitely 5-pin dins, and there are inputs for gram and tape which are also 5-pin dins. There are also two mains outlet sockets one of which has a miniature plug inserted of the old type, one large round pin at the top and 2 smaller round pins at the bottom. I suppose my question is, is it possible to connect a speaker cable direct to the speaker output without the 5-pin connector? Last edited by m1111p111; 25th Sep 2010 at 5:06 pm.

25th Sep 2010, 5:23 pm	#4
vinrads Dekatron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, UK. Posts: 3,766	Re: 5 pin din I bet this is just a tuner , i have never seen a 5 pin din speaker socket,

25th Sep 2010, 5:31 pm	#5
m1111p111 Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Burnley, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 22	Re: 5 pin din You're right, it is a tuner with gram and tape inputs, made in 1966.

25th Sep 2010, 6:01 pm	#6
ALANS ANITAS Rest in Peace Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North West Northamptonshire, UK. Posts: 346	Re: 5 pin din Hi 5 pin DIN plugs are still widely available (though not as widely as 20years ago). Your local Maplin will have them, but they are rather expensive. Try your local pound shops. ALAN

25th Sep 2010, 6:31 pm	#7
Steve_P Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bolton, Greater Manchester, UK. Posts: 6,644	Re: 5 pin din I have seen a unit with 3 pn DIN plugs on the speakers. It was a Rigonda Party Time Calipso. Must get it out sometime. Anyway, never seen 3 or 5 pn DIN used over here in this way. It's probably a tuner as previously stated. Pictures tell us a lot, and it's nice to look at other people's gear, especially if you're as nosey as me! Get the camera out! And what's up witth it? Cheers, Steve P. __________________ If we've always had it, why is the Car Boot open? You're not sneaking another Old TV in are you...?

25th Sep 2010, 6:54 pm	#8
Tractorfan Dekatron Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: St. Frajou, l'Isle en Dodon, Haute Garonne, France.(Previously: Ellesmere Port, Cheshire, UK.) Posts: 3,184	Re: 5 pin din Hi, The 2amp round pin mains plug was probably intended to supply the associated amplifier and may be energised from the tuner on-off switch. Or, if it is a tuner-amp you've got, it was for the turntable. Sometimes there's two. Cheers de Pete __________________ "Hello?, Yes, I'm on the train, I might lose the signal soon as we're just going into a tunn..."

25th Sep 2010, 7:50 pm	#9
Sideband Dekatron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Croydon, Surrey, UK. Posts: 7,580	Re: 5 pin din Like others, I suspect this is 'line' output only and will not drive speakers. You will need to connect this to an amplifier but it would make things a whole lot easier if you could show a good clear picture of the sockets. 5 pin DIN sockets normally have pins 1,4 as input and pins 3,5 as output. Pin 2 is common earth. There were various arrangements to the pin geometry. Most common was 180 degree 5 pin. There was also 180 degree 3 pin, 240 degree 5/6 pin and 270 degree 5/6 pin. There was also a 360 degree 5 pin (sometimes called a domino) used for headphones. The speaker socket was commonly 2 pin, one flat and one round. SB __________________ There are lots of brilliant keyboard players and then there is Rick Wakeman.....

25th Sep 2010, 7:53 pm	#10
roffe Hexode Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Linkoping, Sweden Posts: 493	Re: 5 pin din Apparently it's a tuner-amplifier with 7W/ch in the "Unit Audio Series" Pages 7-8: http://www.gramophone.net/Issue/Page...TS#header-logo

25th Sep 2010, 8:25 pm	#11
Sideband Dekatron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Croydon, Surrey, UK. Posts: 7,580	Re: 5 pin din ...and it states '3 pin DIN sockets for loudspeakers'. Not unknown but certainly not very common. So now we know! SB __________________ There are lots of brilliant keyboard players and then there is Rick Wakeman.....

25th Sep 2010, 10:09 pm	#12
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 5 pin din To answer the OPs question, strip a bit of small flex and stuff it in the hole(s) don't use a solid pin as it will bend the socket.

27th Sep 2010, 5:12 pm	#13
m1111p111 Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Burnley, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 22	Re: 5 pin din Thanks for the replies. It does have 2 mains outlets on the back as mentioned earlier, so I suppose it's an early music centre but the tape deck, gram etc need to be conected to this unit as opposed to being incorporated. On inspection it's been got at and has a broken case where 2 of the chassis retaining screws sit. He has a pitch in an antique and collectables centre, he got it for £3 and I don't have the time to work on it, so he's marked it up with a small profit and will sell it on. It's not really my cup of tea otherwise I would have had a go at it. Thanks again, Mark.