why has my tread been closed

[M3VUV51]

Hi all i have a tread on trying to fix my tek 2215 scope,was slowly getting the scope fixed,using the help from the folks here,suddenly out of the blue the thread has been closed,it would of been nice to of been informed before this was done,i feel rather angry about this as the repair is a work in progress,is this normal behaviour from the mods on this site?,i find it disgusting,what do folks think?

[Ted Kendall]

I refer you to Radio Wrangler's comments in the final post of the thread.

[M3VUV51]

it still is rude in my opinion to do that,seems like an abuse of power!!!

[ajgriff]

I can well understand why RW decided to gently end the discussion. Disgusting is a strong word and I'd politely suggest that you reassess the way in which you use the English language. Just my view but others may disagree of course.

Alan

[M3VUV51]

I respect your view alan but here i am halfway thru a repair gone wrong and will no doubt need further advice from members here,i feel its more a case of sour grapes as this thread is on eev blogg forum and tek scopes io as well,at the moment im pretty miffed over this !,i feel the more irons in the fire the better.

[ajgriff]

Believe me I do understand the frustration you feel over the repair itself and you're perfectly entitled to join any number of forums. Personally I gravitate to this one because of the large number of knowledgeable and helpful people here. The vast majority are also civil to each other even when a divergence of view inevitably arises. In part this is down to sensible moderation.

The problem with multiple threads in different forums about the same topic is the confusion it causes as it's difficult to follow several threads simultaneously even if you're aware of the separate discussions taking place. My advice in future would be to stick to your favoured forum in the first instance and only switch to another when all avenues have been exhausted on the first.

Alan

[M3VUV51]

may have to start a new thread when my replacement parts get here.

[M3VUV51]

just had this pm: Welcome to North Korea! That behaviour is the norm on this forum. I asked the same question as you and got put on pre-moderation because apparently you are not allowed to question the moderators.

They seem to be a lot of petty dictators and I still have no idea what benefit is derived from closing threads. It seems daft to me, but I suppose, their playpen and their rules.

Kind regards

[joebog1]

Can somebody BAN this person !!!

Joe, who has been moderated many times but I am still here and have many friends and receive the best advice when I ask.

[Radio Wrangler]

The only way someone can follow your diagnosis procedure is to follow three different fora at once. As his is confusing, and not everyone active on any one forum is going to be aware of the other two, the advice you get is going to be disjointed with guidance sometimes relating to where you were a few steps back.

I suspect the inhabitants of the other two sites are also finding it confusing.

The tek-specific group is where you are most likely to find someone experienced in that series of scopes and is where I'd go looking first if I had to fix the 2220 that I have. Dave's EEVblog site is especially good for fixing general electronic test equipment. There are a few of us on here who are into test equipment, but we probably don't match the expertise on the other two sites in this area.

I think Alan's advice is sound, stick to one site. Pick the one most likely to guide you to a successful solution as your first choice. If no luck, only then move on.

Even with only one forum, you'll get contradictory advice from several people, and if you try to follow it all, you'll wind up getting lost. Somehow you've got to be selective and decide who is going to guide you through solving the problem. We've seen it happen on here too many times, spoiling the chances of a successful repair. This isn't fun for the owner of the faulty box, nor is it fun for those trying to help.

There are some bits of general advice which help with repairs, especially with ones proving difficult:

1) Understand the circuit, what it is trying to do and how it does it

2) Understand the general nature of the fault. Then get more specific.

3) Don't change parts until you have good indications that it is necessary. Remember that each change has the risk of introducing wrong parts, slips with soldering irons, slips with test probes and your original fault can get much more complex.

4) With DC-coupled transistor circuits, some parts can form a ring of mutually-assured destruction. Try to be sure that you've got all the bad bits before applying power or else you can get fooled by believing 'It can't be TRxxx, I've just replaced it' and locked into an eternal circle of replacing the same things.

5) In grading advice, don't get led by the easiest sounding suggestion. You don't want what looks like the fastest/cheapest solution, you want the most likely to be successful one. Certainty and confidence are very valuable commodities.

I've spent many years designing and making prototypes and breadboards. When they don't work first time, they need diagnosing. In this work you don't have any knowledge that it once worked to fall back on. The fundamental design could be crap. You don't have any working channels to compare against. No-one has written a service manual yet.... etc. So you have to hone your diagnostic skills and establish routines which keep you out of bad habits.

Thread closure and other actions are the result of discussions amongst all the moderators.

David

[M3VUV51]

well can you unclose the thread please,i dont ask ppl to visit other sites do i,i find this site the most helpfull with my issues until you decided to close the thread ok,regards Paul.

[Diabolical Artificer]

All Davids points are valid, some of which I made myself back in the thread question, the thread was a mess. It isn't just about your fault, but will also serve as a reference and resource for others that will follow.

As for closing thread's without a PM, that's a valid point, some of us have had the same happen. I understand your frustration, but there's ways of going about things. Nuff said.

Andy.

[M3VUV51]

so how can i resolve this?

[John_BS]

You bought the 'scope for £15? So sell it on as "Spares or Repair". It's not fair on the people here to ask for unlimited assistance when you're not really able to tackle this level of complexity.

[M3VUV51]

its not a question of the money,i dont want to let the ******* beat me,i am off work waiting for an op so trying to fix this scope gives me someting to do and stops me climbing the walls!

[Bazz4CQJ]

Never, has the phrase, "when you are in a hole, stop digging" applied more.

[M3VUV51]

some hole different depth!

[Station X]

Originally Posted by joebog1

Can somebody BAN this person !!!

Looks like your wish has come true.