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Old 5th Dec 2017, 12:33 am   #21
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It makes you wonder what was going through the mind of whoever took it too the tip, I guess it was from a house clearance & decided it was too much hassle to get it safety checked & sold on.
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Remember that McMichael TV I rescued from there after contacting the authorities a few years ago?

I'm on to this one now! I hope it's not too late!
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One of the weaknesses in the litigation/overheads explanation is that there is no overall consistency-a few outlets are more relaxed! One very long previous thread did lead to a management concession but it was wearying. Someone suggested that identifying yourself as an electronics professional [eg headed notepaper] could be a basis for dealing with the tip management as everything is "sold on" in a way just not [generally] to Joe Public. There is a particular problem in the South East re commercial waste being dumped on farm land.
The irony is that it's a problem only arising from the charges made in the first place. What used to be a free service is now privatised and a nice earner. Staff are probably subject to sanction if they don't follow the rules but I've encountered some who clearly double as Night Club bouncers in their spare time

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Remember that McMichael TV I rescued from there after contacting the authorities a few years ago?

I'm on to this one now! I hope it's not too late!
Nice one Aidan

Good luck!

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It makes you wonder what was going through the mind of whoever took it too the tip, I guess it was from a house clearance & decided it was too much hassle to get it safety checked & sold on.
Having done my late mother's house-clearance a few years back, the truth is that the time and effort in identifying the description and assessing the 'value' of everything involved vastly exceeds what you're likely to get for it, specially if you're having to take unpaid time-out from your business to do the clearance!

"An old black & white telly, doesn't work, valves missing" - unless you are lucky and are local to a specialist auctioneer you're going to find it really hard to get any interest. Once you've factored in the fee to catalog/enter the thing in the auction, and the auctioneers commission, and VAT, well it'd probably need to sell for 100 if you were going to get 40 out of it. And you've invested your time/effort - and it may not sell anyway in which case you've lost the catalog/entry fee *and* still have to arrange to dispose of it (or pay the auction-house to do so).

"Put it on Ebay/Gumtree" you say: well again there are still listing-fees and suchlike. "Sold as-seen, condition unknown, buyer collects" - it's one hell of a lot of timewaste and hassle for relatively low return. Even if it sells. Which it probably won't.

Unless it's an antique - in which case the specialist auction-houses may be interested - pretty much most house-clearance stuff these days is a case of "call the local hospice and see if they can send a van - they can have what they want but tell them they'll have to provide the labour to load it".

Everything they don't take - you pay for a day's skip-rental. Life's like that; don't be precious about it.
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Surely a simple disclaimer would do, "Its mine now and no matter what it's all my fault after this date". For example, I climbed the tower at Kew Steam Museum on Sunday (well worth a visit, mind you at nigh on 200 feet up it was quite a climb!) and signed a form which said, in essence, "If you die etc. it's all down to you", it wasn't full of legalese, simple and understandable (one inch of A4 text is all it took).

Come on councils, get real.
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So where do these sets end up if they go down the 'official route'? I can't believe that someone is going to sit down stripping all of the copper wire in one pile, glass in a pile, wood in another pile etc although I know this is what happens to modern sets.
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Quite possibly back to us on eBay , or the valves do at least.

I often wonder where stuff is sourced from where you have a prolific ebay seller who clearly isn't an enthusiast.
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Speaking about our local tip, the problem would be time to even administer a disclaimer, our local tip is always busy, only so many staff, a lot of the visitors dumping stuff are elderly, in many cases staff have to unload their stuff into the skips, same with the stuff my wife takes due to her rheumatic hands/joints etc, would it be fair to keep her and many like her hanging about just because some one has seen the bargain of the century stacked in a corner somewhere and expects it for next to nowt, then a member of staff drags it out and the bargain hunter turns into whinger and says "well actually its not what I expected so I'll leave it go" I'd bet in a lot of cases they would want a find loaded into their vehicle for them by a member of staff, all for next to nowt of course, meanwhile vehicles are queuing up and folks are getting frustrated.

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Our tip does sell a lot, just not electrical. They have items on display, you ask for a price and have room to haggle.

Ive tried to convince them to let me take some old valve gear before and they've blankly refused on H&S grounds, I've offered to write them a disclaimer etc. Even cheekily offered the chap 20 to look the other way but as he pointed out they have cameras there and people can be sacked for that.

One would have thought with the wonders of the internet it would be simple enough to connect obscure items with those that want them. Unfortunately its presently down to the individual to use Freegle, Freecycle etc and many cannot be bothered. Strangely if they did it would save them a drive and the inevitable queue to dump it. Maybe its not practical for councils in monetary terms, but if we look at things purely from that angle we will continue to be incredibly wasteful, IMO.
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I wonder whether a recognised organisation could make a difference here?

Perhaps the BVWS, as representative of many who share our hobby, could write to all waste disposal authorities and/or waste companies. Effectively what we want is to rescue pieces of broadcasting history from oblivion rather than get free stuff to trade on, but it's hard to prove that when you are just some bloke who turned up to tip some soil and wood and happens to take an interest in a specific item sat in a container.

If specific items are found perhaps a call could be made to BVWS and a local member be allowed to take away the item for assessment and recycling back into the vintage wireless/ TV community.

Of course we would still only be reaching a fraction of what's binned or otherwise ruined and never makes it to the tip, but it may be worthwhile.

As a non BVWS member at present I mention them only as the kind of organisation that could have some influence - there may be others. And while I'm pretty shaky at fixing radios I do have other skills and would be willing to assist.

I apologize for any typos or lack of sense in the above text. I'm typing this through a rather spectacular flashing light style migraine!
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Old 5th Dec 2017, 8:35 pm   #32
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Remember that McMichael TV I rescued from there after contacting the authorities a few years ago?

I'm on to this one now! I hope it's not too late!
Excellent work that man! I do hope you get the set.
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Old 5th Dec 2017, 9:11 pm   #33
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A couple of years ago at the local tip there was a stunning condition Simon Minstrelle tape recorder (the Garrard magazine based machine). It even had its instruction book! I was basically told hands off, but it had been carefully put to one side, so I think there's no way that it was being broken up.

Hopefully the TV may appear on eBay.
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This was the first HMV TV set to be made under the twenty-one year brand name licencing deal that was struck up between EMI and Thorn Electrical Industries Ltd. The other EMI brand name was Marconi.
I've never been sure of the precise release year of this model, was it 1956 or 57?
The super reliable Ferguson 306T chassis was installed into a very high quality cabinet, if that would have ever bothered anyone working at the dump. But to be fair there was always guys who knew good stuff when they saw it and put items of interest aside. But that was a long time ago.

And don't forget that 2009 car scrappage scheme in which many classic cars finished up in the crusher. Now it's time for many of those 2009 models to be meeting a similar fate.

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A couple of years ago at the local tip there was a stunning condition Simon Minstrelle tape recorder (the Garrard magazine based machine).
Perks of the job perhaps, we all have (had) them, but he knows where the CCTV is.
I've heard of people cultivating a contact, but that's different from trying your luck in public.
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Replacing common sense with very tight control. Of course recycling targets are higher, but they don't understand taking things out of the waste loop is better recycling, or that some items perceived as waste by some are valued by others, and by connecting them you can make money. Or that operatives are paid low wages, and are welcome, mate, to a 'tip' for doing what they are paid to, to get something out of the waste stream ... they don't understand much imho. Litigation ... a friend of mine lost out badly in two very clearly justified medical negligence claims ... you have to be a lawyer to understand the logic ... Got to let it go at that.
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The priorities as regards waste are reduce, reuse, recycle in that order. You can see that what we are talking about would fit in quite neatly with the first two.

I doubt that litigation is the issue. What is more likely is the way in which the contracts are drawn up with the companies that currently make what we hope to achieve difficult.
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 1:21 am   #38
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as there will be a paper trail showing they were the last to touch it.
Though I do agree with the accountability part, it doesn't go by serial number, it goes by kilograms in versus kilograms out. As long as you bring in some stuff of the same waste classification that weighs more than the item you take, there's no accountability problem.
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I know of two very serious incidents the results of which guaranteed that the site contractors would never allow under any circumstances items dumped to be resold.

A local tip had a mint Philips G25K500 complete with legs. It was standing by the TV cage because it was too big to go in it!

An immaculate example but despite speaking to the site manager and producing my 'CV' including museum pictures it was all in vain.

It was not his fault and we all know how these 'No Win No fee' solicitors inform us we have been involved in an accident when we haven't, so imagine the persistence if there was a chance of a claim!

The answer is, don't look into the TV bin. It will all end in tears. John.
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I used to buy TV's from our recycling centre in the days when the trade still existed and even then they would not let me have them until I proved that I was a TV engineer, these were of course CRT sets but before long the secondhand TV trade was no longer viable.

I must have bought thousands of sets from Granada and other warehouses all over the country in times past, used to be quite profitable.

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