Marconiphone 702 coming to auction - Page 5 - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

peter_scott · 19th Apr 2011, 9:11 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by radiolot

Wait till you see what I have got hold of for the next sale in November (

)

cheers
Lazza

Hi Laurence,

'Hope all goes well today.

Come on you can't leave us all in suspense 'til November.

Peter

radiolot · 19th Apr 2011, 12:32 pm

Oh yes I can, Peter!

28 minutes until the 702 loteth cometh

ppppenguin · 19th Apr 2011, 1:06 pm

£16800 including buyer's premium

http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19034/lot/1/

Station X · 19th Apr 2011, 1:07 pm

Any idea who bought it?

kalee20 · 19th Apr 2011, 1:18 pm

*** ! ! ! ! ! *** wow! *** ! ! ! ! ! ***

Let's hope it stays in the country - and we hear more about it. Hopefully a Forum member!

Alvin · 19th Apr 2011, 4:03 pm

I hope that figure is correct because I can't believe someone paid £4,800 for lot 11 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19034/lot/11/

I know green bakelite phones command a high price but not this much particularly for one with cosmetic faults - one too many zeros maybe?

Alvin

radiolot · 19th Apr 2011, 4:10 pm

That figure is correct Alvin - we had the world record for a green 232 in the last sale here at £6,700. This one had a tiny chip to the cradle, so went for a bit less. Green and red phones in excellent/mint condition are top drawer at the moment, and I have another 700+ phones at the warehouse to sell of one sale at a time.

Note - The buyer of the 702 was ME!!

Only joking, he is not from the UK. I am hoping to gain permission to post country and possibly a name, but until then, I follow our policy of keeping all client's details confidential. Thanks for your understanding.

Alvin · 19th Apr 2011, 4:21 pm

My apologies for jumping to the wrong conclusion.....it sold for so much more than the other greenies in the sale!!

Alvin

BGmidsUK · 19th Apr 2011, 5:51 pm

Shame it's going overseas, especially considering that the country it's going to probably never had a 405 line service so it isn't a part of their history.

Maybe one day some of these sets will come home ...

Brian

HamishBoxer · 19th Apr 2011, 6:16 pm

Pity all that lottery money thats available doesnt keep whats British history in the UK.

David

ianm · 19th Apr 2011, 7:28 pm

An American buyer, according to this newly-published Daily Mail article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...0-Bonhams.html

geoff999 · 19th Apr 2011, 8:26 pm

Forum members will know that the fire at Crystal Palace did not interrupt TV service from Alexandra Palace but a pity Daily Mail reporter got it wrong.

Also "TV Pioneer John Logie Baird" had little or nothing to do with this set or with Alexandra Palace transmissions. He had been sidelined to his personal laboratories in Crescent Wood Road: Captain A D G West was responsible for the Baird 240 line system.

audiomagpie · 19th Apr 2011, 8:52 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ppppenguin

£16800 including buyer's premium

My dreams of someday owning a pre war TV have just drifted a little further away!

Greg

Heatercathodeshort · 20th Apr 2011, 6:17 pm

I had suggested to several forum members that it was my guess ithat the 702 would bring £18,000.
I was £1600 over enthusiastic. J.

neon indicator · 21st Apr 2011, 9:45 am

At that price a replica is cheaper!

Is it about £450 to get a custom CRT made?

Based on devaluation/inflation, £100 spent in 1936 is about £2,000 to £6,000 today? So 17,000 / 4,000 = 4.25x value, not 168x value as might appear.

Somehow I think a 2011 £400 HDTV LCD is unlikely to be worth 4x more in real terms for your (great) grand children.

I'd guess most 1950s TVs are still worth less in real terms today than what was paid for them?

ppppenguin · 21st Apr 2011, 10:36 am

Using that invaluable site: http://www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/ we can see that £99 in 1936 (cost fo the set when new) is equivalent to about £5K using RPI and £19K using average earnings. This also shows how average earnings have increased compared to the RPI.

I don't think you can get a custom CRT made. A rebuild of a pre-war CRT is about £700 from RACS.

neil29 · 21st Apr 2011, 3:45 pm

Im not even going to bother dreaming of owning a pre war set. as i dont have the money for a start. and could not justify spending that much on one. cheers neil.

Steve_McVoy · 23rd Apr 2011, 9:39 pm

The set is going to MZTV in Toronto

ppppenguin · 24th Apr 2011, 8:38 am

Another place for us TV enthusiast to visit. Slightly annoying website: http://www.mztv.com/ The museum owner is Moses Znaimer, a veteran of broadcasting in Canada http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Znaimer

Heatercathodeshort · 24th Apr 2011, 10:16 am

I expect it will be very well looked after. J.

19th Apr 2011, 12:32 pm	#82
radiolot Tetrode Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Eastbourne, E. Sussex, UK. Posts: 96	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction Oh yes I can, Peter! 28 minutes until the 702 loteth cometh

19th Apr 2011, 1:06 pm	#83
ppppenguin Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: North London, UK. Posts: 6,168	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction £16800 including buyer's premium http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19034/lot/1/

19th Apr 2011, 1:07 pm	#84
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 21,288	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction Any idea who bought it? __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Reach for your meter before you reach for your soldering iron.

19th Apr 2011, 1:18 pm	#85
kalee20 Dekatron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lynton, N. Devon, UK. Posts: 7,082	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction * ! ! ! ! ! * wow! * ! ! ! ! ! * Let's hope it stays in the country - and we hear more about it. Hopefully a Forum member!

19th Apr 2011, 4:03 pm	#86
Alvin Heptode Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: East London, UK. Posts: 761	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction I hope that figure is correct because I can't believe someone paid £4,800 for lot 11 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19034/lot/11/ I know green bakelite phones command a high price but not this much particularly for one with cosmetic faults - one too many zeros maybe? Alvin

19th Apr 2011, 4:10 pm	#87
radiolot Tetrode Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Eastbourne, E. Sussex, UK. Posts: 96	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction That figure is correct Alvin - we had the world record for a green 232 in the last sale here at £6,700. This one had a tiny chip to the cradle, so went for a bit less. Green and red phones in excellent/mint condition are top drawer at the moment, and I have another 700+ phones at the warehouse to sell of one sale at a time. Note - The buyer of the 702 was ME!! Only joking, he is not from the UK. I am hoping to gain permission to post country and possibly a name, but until then, I follow our policy of keeping all client's details confidential. Thanks for your understanding.

19th Apr 2011, 4:21 pm	#88
Alvin Heptode Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: East London, UK. Posts: 761	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction My apologies for jumping to the wrong conclusion.....it sold for so much more than the other greenies in the sale!! Alvin

19th Apr 2011, 5:51 pm	#89
BGmidsUK Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Leicester, UK. Posts: 809	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction Shame it's going overseas, especially considering that the country it's going to probably never had a 405 line service so it isn't a part of their history. Maybe one day some of these sets will come home ... Brian

19th Apr 2011, 6:16 pm	#90
HamishBoxer Dekatron Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: W.Butterwick, near Doncaster UK. Posts: 8,932	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction Pity all that lottery money thats available doesnt keep whats British history in the UK. David

19th Apr 2011, 7:28 pm	#91
ianm Hexode Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire, UK. Posts: 341	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction An American buyer, according to this newly-published Daily Mail article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...0-Bonhams.html __________________ Regards Ian McLaughlin, BVWS member

19th Apr 2011, 8:26 pm	#92
geoff999 Rest in Peace Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Croydon Posts: 92	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction Forum members will know that the fire at Crystal Palace did not interrupt TV service from Alexandra Palace but a pity Daily Mail reporter got it wrong. Also "TV Pioneer John Logie Baird" had little or nothing to do with this set or with Alexandra Palace transmissions. He had been sidelined to his personal laboratories in Crescent Wood Road: Captain A D G West was responsible for the Baird 240 line system. Last edited by geoff999; 19th Apr 2011 at 8:37 pm. Reason: Typo and extra info.

20th Apr 2011, 6:17 pm	#94
Heatercathodeshort Dekatron Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Warnham, West Sussex. 10 miles south of DORKING. Posts: 9,147	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction I had suggested to several forum members that it was my guess ithat the 702 would bring £18,000. I was £1600 over enthusiastic. J.

21st Apr 2011, 9:45 am	#95
neon indicator Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Co. Limerick, Ireland. Posts: 1,183	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction At that price a replica is cheaper! Is it about £450 to get a custom CRT made? Based on devaluation/inflation, £100 spent in 1936 is about £2,000 to £6,000 today? So 17,000 / 4,000 = 4.25x value, not 168x value as might appear. Somehow I think a 2011 £400 HDTV LCD is unlikely to be worth 4x more in real terms for your (great) grand children. I'd guess most 1950s TVs are still worth less in real terms today than what was paid for them? Last edited by neon indicator; 21st Apr 2011 at 9:55 am.

21st Apr 2011, 10:36 am	#96
ppppenguin Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: North London, UK. Posts: 6,168	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction Using that invaluable site: http://www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/ we can see that £99 in 1936 (cost fo the set when new) is equivalent to about £5K using RPI and £19K using average earnings. This also shows how average earnings have increased compared to the RPI. I don't think you can get a custom CRT made. A rebuild of a pre-war CRT is about £700 from RACS.

21st Apr 2011, 3:45 pm	#97
neil29 Heptode Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Newport, Gwent, UK. Posts: 962	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction Im not even going to bother dreaming of owning a pre war set. as i dont have the money for a start. and could not justify spending that much on one. cheers neil.

23rd Apr 2011, 9:39 pm	#98
Steve_McVoy Pentode Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio, USA Posts: 150	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction The set is going to MZTV in Toronto

24th Apr 2011, 8:38 am	#99
ppppenguin Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: North London, UK. Posts: 6,168	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction Another place for us TV enthusiast to visit. Slightly annoying website: http://www.mztv.com/ The museum owner is Moses Znaimer, a veteran of broadcasting in Canada http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Znaimer

24th Apr 2011, 10:16 am	#100
Heatercathodeshort Dekatron Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Warnham, West Sussex. 10 miles south of DORKING. Posts: 9,147	Re: Marconiphone 702 coming to auction I expect it will be very well looked after. J.