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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 9:40 pm   #21
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Many sets are wired with solid rubber insulated wiring. I lift one end, remove the old insulation and slide on new sleeving before resoldering the wire back. Silicone sleeving would be ideal but is expensive, I use PVC.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 9:30 pm   #22
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Thanks for that chris does the 470pf matter what the voltage is does it have to be 1000v it says type m on old one does that make a difference

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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 11:02 pm   #23
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The voltage rating of the 470pF isn't critical- anything over 50V should be plenty. As far as I can see it only has to deal with low voltage unless there's a nearby lightning strike in which case all bets are off anyway! The value isn't particularly critical either- anything from 220pF to 1000pF would probably be fine.
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 6:41 pm   #24
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Have finished the capacitors and rewiring the resistors are within range so I left them no I'm trying to work out the voltages
LT + and - are blue leads one rad tag other black tag not sure of voltage of these think davebms says this is 2volts?

GB-1 = blue lead 9volts
GB-2 = purple lead 4.5volts
HT- black lead 120volt
Then I'm left with 2 unmarked leds 1 green and 1 red I was thinking that the red lead would be the HT+ 120volts and that the green would be the GB+ volt = ?
The other thing is how would I connect them all up to modern lead

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Old 28th Mar 2020, 7:12 pm   #25
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Hi Mark

The green seems to be going straight to chassis which would make it LT-

The Blue and the Purple seem to be correct.

Your missing the LT+

If the red is HT + it will connect direct to C33.

GB+ HT- and LT+ all go via switches.

Not sure what you mean about connecting to a modern lead?

Did you check the Grid coupling auto transformer for continuity they are famous for going OC.

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Old 28th Mar 2020, 8:08 pm   #26
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More photos I copied the wires like for like with the plugs the same as well I'm not 100% it was correct in first place

What I meant by modern was in the original batteries with lots of trappings there would be internal connection that would give the negative I think
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 8:58 pm   #27
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Back card not that clear bu best I can find
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 11:00 pm   #28
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Wow that cabinet looks fantastic, well done.

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Old 29th Mar 2020, 10:44 am   #29
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hello all.. mark check post #9 the set requires, two GB -4.5 and -9 volt
they should be the only connections that reversed ?, IE positive to chassis
the photo I found, cleaned up, they are 2volt (so you have battery for that)

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Old 29th Mar 2020, 10:59 am   #30
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Hi Mark

In total there should be 7 battery connections.

It should be easy to identify LT+ GB+ and HT- since they all go to the switch.

You can ring them out with a meter.

Check the fuse bulb which ISTR on this chassis sticks out the back of the chassis.

You can go two ways with replacing the batteries.

Build an eliminator or make up your own batteries.

I attach snip of all the connections going to the on/off switch.

For LT you can if you go the battery route use this type of battery although a bigger version is probably best if your going to run it for long periods.

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Old 30th Mar 2020, 11:44 pm   #31
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Where did you get to with the transformer continuity checks suggested by Mike T?
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 1:58 pm   #32
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Hi pj I Yeah the ohms of the transformers are all correct I have put in the wanted list that I need a 210spt valve because the one in mine is a vp2
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 2:17 pm   #33
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would you have any information of cossor extension speakers I'm trying to do a new back card information sticker but there are bits on mine that are unreadably looks like it says Model ?93 and maybe 20,000ohms the other thing is what are the positions of the waveband switch from what I can see it maybe S M L
Or maybe someone else knows
It still needs more work when i do it properly on my computer been doing it on tablet but its getting there
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 2:49 pm   #34
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Hi Mark

Sorry didn't realise you were after corrections for your new label.

Need to check my archive but that's 80 miles away

What I have on this PC is a scanned copy of the 1938 Brochure (which has the 48 series sets shown) and here the extension speaker is listed as a 695M


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Old 31st Mar 2020, 3:24 pm   #35
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And some of the 48 series from the same brochure.

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Old 31st Mar 2020, 3:47 pm   #36
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I managed to get photo through magnifying glass
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695 it is then

Cossor seem to put these extra letters in model numbers sometimes and its not always clear what they refer to.

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Old 31st Mar 2020, 7:54 pm   #38
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I have reprinted the back board wasn't a good copy so did it from scratch and a good old tea bag if anyone wants a copy to use I will send the file over by email might be similar to other models I would put it on here but dont no if you can

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I was given this cossor that was left outside in a shed, it had a little woodworm from long ago but treated anyway, when I looked at the inside you could see the water had got to the plywood. After I took it all apart I split the bottom layers of plywood and re-glued and pressed, some bits was too poor to put back so I used a wood filler. After that had dried I paint stripped the wood that took all the burl wood pattern off leaving me with white wood and no grain. I painted it with a sealer then a light badge colour. Now I had to try to paint a burl wood finish this I did with different colour gel wood stain I spent many hours getting it to what I thought looked right after that had dried I varnished over the top of it all, then it was onto the electronics. I checked all the resistors which was not to far out so I left them. Next step was to change all the paper capacitors which i did do with the help of the forum members (Thanks to everyone). The wires had all gone brittle and I had to change them and sleeve some of the other single strand wires. I still need a on/off knob but I can use the long one I have for now. THANKS FOR EVERYBODY’S HELP
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Great job, well done Mark.
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