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Old 12th Oct 2021, 9:47 am   #1
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Hi,
I'm new to the forums but have lurked on here for a few years!
Hope someone can help with this...
I'm in the process of refurbing/fault finding a 'gram I picked up a few months ago.
It is an Ilse Tonmobel cabinet, Collardo record deck but the Blue Spot/Blaupunkt receiver I'm struggling to identify? Have a model number etc but no name. I'm looking for schematic to aid repairs so any hints as to what the set is would be appreciated!
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Old 12th Oct 2021, 9:51 am   #2
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Pictures would help.
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Old 12th Oct 2021, 9:54 am   #3
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This time with pics...
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You will probably find the Blaupunkt chassis was used in a number of more mainstream radiograms.

Interesting thing - I've never seen a cabinet like that before.
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That's a COLLARO RC456 autochanger which would date it to late 1956 or 1957.
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Here's a selection that might use the same or similar chassis:

https://www.doctsf.com/grandlivre/pr...ubmit2=Valider

You might be able to narrow it down by the valve line up.

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Old 12th Oct 2021, 11:13 am   #7
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You will probably find the Blaupunkt chassis was used in a number of more mainstream radiograms.

Interesting thing - I've never seen a cabinet like that before.
I think that's what attracted me to it to be honest-there is a bit of info on the German radiomuseum site for Ilse, they were fairly productive cabinet makers back then. They obviously just fitted radios/decks as they wished.

Just fault finding at the moment, have output but a bit distorted-hence looking for model/schematic.
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I have what looks like (from the front) a Blaupunkt radio that uses the same chassis. Unfortunately it is currently packed away so I don't think I can get at it to find the model number. When I last had it working it sounded very good.
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Have a model number etc but no name. I'm looking for schematic to aid repairs so any hints as to what the set is would be appreciated!
So what model number do you have and where are you seeing it ?

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What is the valve line up?
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Have a model number etc but no name. I'm looking for schematic to aid repairs so any hints as to what the set is would be appreciated!
So what model number do you have and where are you seeing it ?

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There is the paper one on the back of the chassis, unless this is something else? There is an 'Ilse Fabrik No' too on the back of the cabinet, but I am not sure this is helpful in any way!

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What is the valve line up?
Line up is : ECH81, EF89, EABC80, EL84, (and 1 other that I can't identify as yet.). Photo below

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Have a model number etc but no name. I'm looking for schematic to aid repairs so any hints as to what the set is would be appreciated!
So what model number do you have and where are you seeing it ?

David
I can see a number on paper on the back of the chassis. The number on the cabinet i think will just refer to the Ilse model rather than any of the internals.
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Before running for too long a period and with distortion present it would be advisable to change thr output valve grid coupling capacitors

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Thanks-Yes Iíve swapped out capacitors already and have output valve coming in the post!
Hopefully gets it up and running.
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I can see a number on paper on the back of the chassis. The number on the cabinet i think will just refer to the Ilse model rather than any of the internals.
https://www.doctsf.com/blaupunkt-milano-2225/f27600/o=y

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I can see a number on paper on the back of the chassis. The number on the cabinet i think will just refer to the Ilse model rather than any of the internals.
https://www.doctsf.com/blaupunkt-milano-2225/f27600/o=y

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Brilliant! That certainly looks like the one!
Thatís great thanks for your help!
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 6:45 am   #16
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Thanks to Lawrence identifying the set I've been able to cross reference that with the Radiomuseum listings for the cabinet manufacturer and came up with a match.

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/ilse_charmaine_r66.html

Thanks again!
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No problem.

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