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Old 10th Nov 2023, 4:09 pm   #1
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Default What new DECT phone to buy for router's VOIP port?

Hello, can anyone give me some guidance please. I have recently moved to the full fibre to the house system and plugging my original phone into the router it works perfectly. However as my router is in my upstairs computer and radio room I want to buy a desk phone plus a dect phone to use downstairs but looking at the Argos site I see one but there is no information as to wheter it plugs into the router to give me the desk phone upstairs and the dect phone downstairs. My local Argos is inside the Sainsbury store and I doubt if there would be anyone there who could answer any technical questions.

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Old 10th Nov 2023, 4:16 pm   #2
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I have a dect telephone plugged into a router it works fine. Base station and telephone connected to router and other dect telephones around the house

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A DECT phone base station just plugs into the router's VoIP port like a wired phone. The handsets can be anywhere within range.

It sounds as if you want a two phone DECT package. One will live on the base station and the other on a separate charging cradle somewhere else. Something like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigaset-A270.../dp/B08531L4RB
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I just got a set of normal BT4600 cordless 'phones from Facebook Marketplace. Just as normal, the main one with the answerphone plugs into the router (via a little adaptor that came with the router changing the BS6312 plug to some sort of RJ for the router jack), and the other bases plug in around the house with no trouble talking to the main one.
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Hello, can anyone give me some guidance please. I have recently moved to the full fibre to the house system and plugging my original phone into the router it works perfectly. However as my router is in my upstairs computer and radio room I want to buy a desk phone plus a dect phone to use downstairs but looking at the Argos site I see one but there is no information as to wheter it plugs into the router to give me the desk phone upstairs and the dect phone downstairs. My local Argos is inside the Sainsbury store and I doubt if there would be anyone there who could answer any technical questions.

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There are DECT setups up which have desk phones as well as portable handsets
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Hello, can anyone give me some guidance please. I have recently moved to the full fibre to the house system and plugging my original phone into the router it works perfectly. However as my router is in my upstairs computer and radio room I want to buy a desk phone plus a dect phone to use downstairs but looking at the Argos site I see one but there is no information as to wheter it plugs into the router to give me the desk phone upstairs and the dect phone downstairs. My local Argos is inside the Sainsbury store and I doubt if there would be anyone there who could answer any technical questions.

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Hi Dave, it would help if you gave a link to the Argos product.
If, as I suspect it is a single product, a desk phone with integrated DECT base, plus a cordless handset then simply plug the desk phone into the router's phone socket, and power. It should work fine.

For (almost) all practical purposes the socket on the router provides the same function as the old redundant socket(s) on the wall.


As I have several wired telephone extensions around the house I have "back-fed" my VoIP router's phone port into one of the extension sockets, so all my existing phones work normally. I also have a DECT setup, but that doesn't get used much.
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Amidst the talk about radiation from mobile phones, a knowledge person once said to me, "they say that DECT phones are more of a worry or concern since they radiate to their maximum regardless of how close you are to the base station unit." I looked into it and yes, most DECT phones operate like this, though some don't. This article provides more information: https://www.gigaset.com/en_en/cms/phones/dect.htm
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This isn't going to be an issue unless you spend all day glued to the phone though.
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I have a new dumb phone, it does everything I need. Calls and text and very occasionally, photos. I take it with me in case of an emergency (car, home, golf course). But in a pocket not in my hand. It's a flip phone Doro 6040, £60.
02 sim card £25 a month.
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The OP is asking for advice about a DECT landline phone, not a mobile.
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All domestic cordless phones have a base station. This base station plugs into whatever provides your 'landline' signal, then uses radio to talk to the other cordless phones.

The 'landline' signal can be an Old-Skool copper line, or a shiny new VOIP socket on a router.

If your old phone works when plugged in the VOIP socket, then the base station will work as well.

We have four cordless phones working from a single base which is plugged into our VOIP socket.
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Thanks to all. I have ordered a desk corded with 1 cordless handset. Should get it this incoming week.
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Hello, can anyone give me some guidance please. I have recently moved to the full fibre to the house system and plugging my original phone into the router it works perfectly. However as my router is in my upstairs computer and radio room I want to buy a desk phone plus a dect phone to use downstairs but looking at the Argos site I see one but there is no information as to wheter it plugs into the router to give me the desk phone upstairs and the dect phone downstairs. My local Argos is inside the Sainsbury store and I doubt if there would be anyone there who could answer any technical questions.

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From my reading on other sites, the telephone socket on the rear of the router replaces the telephone part of the old master socket ( the type with an inbuilt filter) or the single socket on the front of the master without filter .

What I have yet to find out for definite ,is whether the router socket acts as a master for other extensions although by logic and definition it should do.
On the topic of DECTS, I use a Call Guardian DECT which will register an old BT Diverse 1000 series as second extension ) and I have registered an old Dancall DECT in the system.
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What do you mean by "acts as a master"?
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What do you mean by "acts as a master"?
I imagine he means whether there is an internal capacitor coupling the ring AC waveform to pin 3 of the BT socket.

This is only relevant if you want to use a vintage wired phone.

Many routers present the telephone connection on the centre pair of an RJ11 socket, and rely an an external RJ11 to BT adapter having the necessary capacitor. (The supplied adapter often doesn't).

As for the routers fitted with the UK "BT socket" as standard, like the BT Smart Hub 2, then I too would like to know!

<Edit> this still from a Youtube video comparing the BT Smart Hub 2 to the new EE branded equivalent shows a large capacitor next to the socket, so I can safely say the socket is effectivly a master on these routers.
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I'm in a similar dilemma, as my router is plugged into the incoming 'main' socket, but our one and only landline phone is connected through internal wiring (and a socket) to the kitchen where it is wall mounted, as this is the only really convenient place for it to go. Our EE contract ends in December, so I called them to see how much a new contract would cost, and found they are now amalgamated with BT, and a new contract would involve a fibre connection, and phone plugged into the modem., in short, no longer having a traditional landline that is independant of mains failure. Also, if I go down the DECT base station route, can't seem to find a wall mounted DECT phone to replace the kitchen one. I suspect that all other BB providers also only provide this quasi landline too.
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I'm in a similar dilemma, as my router is plugged into the incoming 'main' socket, but our one and only landline phone is connected through internal wiring (and a socket) to the kitchen where it is wall mounted, as this is the only really convenient place for it to go. Our EE contract ends in December, so I called them to see how much a new contract would cost, and found they are now amalgamated with BT, and a new contract would involve a fibre connection, and phone plugged into the modem., in short, no longer having a traditional landline that is independant of mains failure. Also, if I go down the DECT base station route, can't seem to find a wall mounted DECT phone to replace the kitchen one. I suspect that all other BB providers also only provide this quasi landline too.
You can "back-feed" your existing extension sockets from the router's phone port.

Have a read through posts #180 - #188 in this thread
https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...=202339&page=4
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We have a BT Smart hub 2. When we changed our BT package a couple of weeks ago and went digital in the process, I just removed the tape that had been covering the BT phone socket at the rear of the hub and used that to make a connection to our extension socket wiring. We have an ISDN master socket, so I transferred the extension wiring from that to a new slave socket, ran a cable from a junction box on our extension wiring to a new RJ socket near the smart hub, (it was not near a phone socket) and used a BT to RJ cable to connect that to the BT socket on the Smart hub. If we had had a BT socket near the home hub, I could have used a BT to BT plug cable (which I didn't have anyway), but as I had several BT to RJ11 leads, it was easier to buy an RJ 45 surface-mounting socket. The RJ 11 plug fits the RJ45 socket. We have six extensions connected to the Smart Hub, with no problems.

The BT to RJ socket numbering concordance is as follows:

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5 - 6
4 - 5 (not normally needed)

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A DECT phone base station just plugs into the router's VoIP port like a wired phone. The handsets can be anywhere within range.

It sounds as if you want a two phone DECT package. One will live on the base station and the other on a separate charging cradle somewhere else. Something like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigaset-A270.../dp/B08531L4RB
Yup i have something along those lines at home

base station with the answerphone lives by the master socket and will move to by the router when Vermin Meeja switch off the POTS in favour in VOIP

the second charger only base sits upstairs as does my Cisco SPA525g that is on my SIPgate line/ number ( and was on the OARC vPABX when that was live)
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What do you mean by "acts as a master"?
in the way that BT / the UK standard for POTS hasa 'master socket' which delimits the end of the network i.e. the part where the Netork presents you with the connection / start of your responsibility for wiring.

IIRC there is also somethingto do with ringing capacitors etc ( i.e. you can only have one 'master' socket and master as slave is not gurarantted to work so you have to remove a component from a 'master' socket to use it as an extension

thern there is the whole thing wit hthe original BT master sockets vs the split face plate (NTE5?) ones
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