Speaker help needed!

[dannysefton]

Hi I posted on here a while ago looking for advice on how I can hook my Philips 13GF826 record player up to a new speaker system, but I’ve now resigned myself to the fact that isn’t going to work.

My record player has a left and right speaker output (image attached) and I’m looking for recommendations on what speakers to get for it. I haven’t really got a clue on the type of speaker to get. It seems to have 2-pin connections so could I get Hifi speakers and attach 2-pin plugs that I get online to the wires?

Would prefer to be able to buy speakers with the plugs already attached, though...

Thanks in advance!
Dan

['LIVEWIRE?']

Those look to be the once-standard DIN Speaker Sockets (One Flat pin & one round one) so, the short answer to your question is 'yes'. DIN Speaker plugs, including solderless ones are available from various suppliers on eBay and elsewhere. The only thing to watch out for are the speakers' Impedance Most are 8 ohms, which should be fine with your Philips record player. The golden rule is not to connect lower impedance speakers than those specified by the player's manufacturer.

[dannysefton]

Thanks for your help - I asked this question on Yahoo as well ananda the answers were far from helpful!

Do HiFi speakers generally just come with a bare wire? It would be great if you could provide a link to some speakers so that I know roughly what to look for - this is all very new to me.

Thanks again!
Dan

[John10b]

Hi
Cricklewoodelectronics.com stock a variety of components, including speakers in boxes and the 2 Pin DIN plugs ( DP20RB). Worth taking a look, I find them very helpful but make sure you tell them your requirements, because the speakers don’t come with leads so you may have to make one up.
Cheers
John

[Herald1360]

Be a bit wary of "proper hifi" speakers- the smaller ones tend to need quite high powers to drive them. I don't know the player in question, but if its output is less than about 10W per channel this may apply. Depends a lot on how loud you want to go

Edit: looked up circuit, looks like you've got about 15WPC ish so ignore the above unless you're after disco levels!

[Nuvistor]

If you make your own leads the connections for the wires in the Din plugs are close together, confirm there are no stray wires that could short the connections, preferably insulate them as well.

If they short it could, /probably/ damage the amplifier.

Edit. I have checked eBay and the have leads with the Din plug fitted with bare ends to connect to the speakers, from about £6 for 2m length for a pair of cables.

[Edward Huggins]

Nearly all Hi Fi speakers sold today do not have attached cables. You can make these up up using 42 strand speaker cable (easier to wire up than 69 strand) using screw connected DIN plugs at one end and bare wire connections to the screw type connectors on the speaker. it's VERY IMPORTANT to ensure the correct polarity: + to + and - to -. If you still have queries please do get back to us. What I have suggested above is not the Highest of Fi, but is a sound way to get you started.

[RojDW48]

Hello Dan - I have too many of these at the moment. I could sort you out a pair like the ones in the photo + the appropriate leads for £10 + postage (probably about £7.50). You get the authentic look but the quality would be 'mid-fi' as it would have been at the time. Send me a PM if that's any help.

[60 oldjohn]

Originally Posted by Nuvistor

If you make your own leads the connections for the wires in the Din plugs are close together, confirm there are no stray wires that could short the connections, preferably insulate them as well.

If they short it could, /probably/ damage the amplifier.

Some 2 Pin Din plugs are easier to wire than others. I actually like the square black and red type for cars available online. Not much sticking out at rear and one is able to see if the wires are liable to short. Also available are ready wired plugs with wire attached, just join wires with chock block and insulate with tape.

Posts crossed, looks like you may be sorted.

[paulsherwin]

If you choose to make up your own cables, there's no need to use the specialist speaker cables mentioned by Edward in #7. The benefit of these cables is questionable even with high end hifi. Ordinary twin core mains cable will be fine.

He's right about the importance of connecting speakers with correct polarity though.

[Nuvistor]

Originally Posted by 60 oldjohn

I actually like the square black and red type for cars available online. Not much sticking out at rear and one is able to see if the wires are liable to short.

I have not seen those but it’s many years since I wired up Din leads. The first thing I checked with any amplifier was the speaker connections. Many times the insulation in the wires in the Din plug had shrunk, leads get twisted and a blown output stage.

If I require plugs I will look out for those.

[60 oldjohn]

Frank, I used a black pair on my B&O equipment, today I can only see a mixed pair of red & black they are on Ebay.


Yes polarity is important, but I should add no harm will occur if the polarities are swapped, no big band. If it does not sound right switch off and swap the leads on one of the speakers. This applies to the old fashioned speakers, not the new speakers with amps and Bluetooth etc.


John.

[Skywave]

Originally Posted by paulsherwin

He's right about the importance of connecting speakers with correct polarity though.

To a degree, yes. And no damage will be caused if that 'polarity' is disregarded. But for someone who has little experience / knowledge of making connections from a stereo amplifier to loudspeakers, the important idea is to wire the speakers so that they are in-phase. Put simply, what that means is that when the cone of one speaker moves 'outwards', the other speaker moves 'outwards' too. Ditto for moving 'inwards'. If the speakers are wired 'out-of-phase', when one cone moves out, the other moves in. The net effect of that wiring error is usually a loss of bass and a stereo image that is not central.

'Polarity' is this sense is a bit of a misnomer, (although extensively used), since 'polarity' is usually reserved for d.c.; in most amplifiers, the current through the speakers is a.c. (There may be a d.c current in addition, but in my experience, that is rare). Speaker terminals are often marked + and - to assist with getting the phasing right, which is probably why the word 'polarity' gets used with speakers.

Al.

[RojDW48]

Dan has expressed an interest in the speakers pictured. I replaced the (missing) drivers in these cabs with Goodmans twin cone ellipticals. They measure at 4 ohms. Does anyone know if they would be an OK match with his Philips model?

[Nuvistor]

See this thread post 19, seems they require 8ohm.

https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...d.php?t=152090

[dannysefton]

Hi all, thanks for your help with everything. Frank, does that mean that my player won’t work with these speakers? Or will I need some extra hardware to make them work?

Thank you all for being patient with me. I really am new to all this!

Dan

[Nuvistor]

Using speakers with an impedance less than the design specifications risks damaging a transistor amplifier.

[SiriusHardware]

Danny, I notice you have a branch of 'British Heart Foundation Furniture And Electrical' near you, in Mesnes Street - sorry, that's in Wigan. Not too far away from you but maybe there's one in Liverpool as well? Places like that are often a good hunting ground for pairs of speakers which have been orphaned from their original stereo systems for one reason or another.

They advertise a lot of what they have on their online 'shop' on eBay - a brief look through what they have there reveals a wide range of speaker sets with some of the more basic (but perfectly OK) pairs going for little more than 10-20 pounds.

The only problem is that you have to look at each item - usually collect only - to find out where it is. Going down to your local branch to see what it has might be quicker. The main thing to remember is to look for speakers which are 8 ohms or more, and obviously they must be passive - don't buy anything with a mains lead going into one of the two speakers.

Edit: Found one closer, in West Derby Road, Tuebrook?

[dannysefton]

Originally Posted by Nuvistor

If you make your own leads the connections for the wires in the Din plugs are close together, confirm there are no stray wires that could short the connections, preferably insulate them as well.

If they short it could, /probably/ damage the amplifier.

Edit. I have checked eBay and the have leads with the Din plug fitted with bare ends to connect to the speakers, from about £6 for 2m length for a pair of cables.

Hi Frank, thanks for helping out with this - do you have a link to those leads - anything that can help me avoid shorting the circuit is great!

EDIT: is this them: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-X-2-PIN...UT9J:rk:6:pf:0

[Herald1360]

Originally Posted by RojDW48

Dan has expressed an interest in the speakers pictured. I replaced the (missing) drivers in these cabs with Goodmans twin cone ellipticals. They measure at 4 ohms. Does anyone know if they would be an OK match with his Philips model?

If they measure at 4 ohms actual resistance (not including dmm lead r etc) then they're probably 6 or 8 ohm speakers. Unless prolonged high output use is envisaged, it's unlikely they'll cause problems.

In any case, the amp uses common, cheap output devices, so a blowup wouldn't be an expensive disaster