Selling advice High Volts PSU

[GrimJosef]

Well if that's right then it will come as good news to the BVWS. I imagine hardly any of the stallholders at RetroTech are businesses, so they can exempted from the condition on the booking form that equipment has to be safe.

It is an issue which is raising wider interest than just on here. The government's Office for Product Safety and Standards has commissioned Electrical Safety First (used to be the Electricity Council) to look at offline second-hand sales and as part of that they visited car-boot sales, which might be as close as anyone's got to checking events like RetroTech, radio rallies etc https://www.electricalsafetyfirst.or...and-standards/.

Electrical Safety First have also published their own report into second-hand electrical goods https://www.electricalsafetyfirst.or...ical-goods.pdf. They note rather often the trade in 'retro and vintage' items and on p14 they recommend to government, in headline characters:

The private sale of unsafe vintage electrical products both in person and online should be banned.

So if it's still legal now we might want to get a move on shifting the kit ...

Cheers,

GJ

[Sinewave]

It won't make a private seller exempt from a condition of an event. Event conditions aren't the same as a law. An event organiser can set any condition they like. However some stall holders are businesses.

But yes if you've got kit to shift, no reason why you can't elsewhere really.

[Trigon.]

The private sale of unsafe elderly vintage electrical products both in person and online should be banned*.

Possibly a little alarming at first glance, but the footnote (10 pages further down!) expands on this, and their areas of concern for certain classes of everyday consumer items:-

*Vintage electrical products are of a particular safety concern, being both long lasting and functional even when dangerously faulty, and widely available. Whilst all elderly electrical appliances should be treated with caution as a matter of course, a number of categories present additional or heightened risk to users and those around them.
These include:
• Any space heating appliance
• Any appliance with an original braided cable instead of a new PVC cable
• Electric blankets
• Cooking appliances
Lacking key modern safety features, prone to failure and suffering age-related degradation even if stored in ideal, dry conditions, the potential to cause fire and electric shock of these products is significant.

Back to the current situation, another of their documents states:-

Buying second hand goods

If you must buy second-hand electrical products, try to buy from a business seller you know and trust. You still have some legal protection, as businesses selling second-hand electrical goods must ensure that the product meets legal safety requirements and is correctly labelled.

If you are buying from a private seller in an online auction, the seller’s only obligation is to accurately describe the item being sold. They can refuse responsibility for the quality of the product.

https://www.electricalsafetyfirst.or...aflet-2014.pdf

Cheers

If you are buying from a private seller in an online auction, the seller’s only obligation is to accurately describe the item being sold.

Such as "A coat hanger, metal, not to be poked into mains sockets" some twit would argue the case that if you hadn't told them not to stick into a socket it wouldn't have been done.

[David Simpson]

Hey Jim, you're lucky in living down south close to all the action, vintage radio & subsequent swapmeets & auctions-wise. Guess you probably ken many of the Forum/BVWS/VMARS worthies, and they ken you. So if you flog your PSU, folk will no doubt trust your workmanship & the electrical safety of the item.
Forget all the banter about business classifications & liabilities. If you are worried about what folk have advised in these last three pages - just donate the PSU to the BVWS or Dulwich R&TV Museum & Mike Barker will probably auction it off for funds(mains plug duly snipped off). Or donate it to VMARS.
Or, as I've already said,(noting that many forum readers are now aware of your PSU & concerns), just advertise it in this forum's "For Sale" section. End of story.

Regards, David

[Uncle Bulgaria]

I think the legalese often seen on eBay etc. is a result of the idea that litigation might be forthcoming. I've never personally met anyone who's been the recipient or defended a compensation of this type, and wonder if it's an urban myth. It certainly seems rare enough that people burning themselves on coffee they didn't realise was hot and so on are reported in the more humorous newspaper cuttings.

It's good to be concerned, but really the best an individual can do is to be concerned and if in doubt don't sell. I imagine most members here are keen to do a good job, and the end result will be better than much of the new options out there.

Caveat Emptor, as ever, I think.

[G4XWDJim]

Thank mods for the bandwidth and to everyone else for their thoughts.

I’m still uncertain what to do so the thread may as well be closed. Thank you.

Jim

[Sinewave]

Before closing, would you mind putting a few photos up of it please? Would love to see it.

[G4XWDJim]

OK will do if we can pause the close down

Jim

Edit Simple capacitor input filter on both 250v and 450v outputs with VR150 stabiliser off the 250 volt line and two 6.3 outputs. In a ANGRC9 PSU case.

[m0cemdave]

As we all know, items like this are regularly traded between enthusiasts with no problems - you could offer it here in the sales section.

If you need to maximise the income you would probably do better by breaking it up and selling the transformers, chokes etc via an online auction.

edit... having seen those pictures it would still be usable as a very nice power supply for a valve transmitter, much too good to break up.

[Radio Wrangler]

It's far too nice to break up. It's also the sort of thing that only a specialist would have any use for. The best answer may be to vet who you sell it to.

Some of the American makers of heaving great kilowatt amplifiers for amateur radio used to ship their products with the mains transformer packed separately. The reasoning being that such a concentration of mass would damage the rest of the amplifier if its crate was mishandled, but once at its destination, the user could fit the transformer and put it on the air. These things did a couple of kV at approaching an amp.

David

[Sinewave]

It looks very nice. Depending on exactly how big it is, I'd be happy to take it off your hands.

[Cobaltblue]

I think we all appreciate the picture Jim has put up that's a very nice looking PSU that many of us would have a good use for.
So before this turns into a bunch of requests I will close it so that Jim can decide what he wants to do.

Cheers

Mike T