Elizabethan LZ29/L

[Dorian27]

Elezebethan LZ29/L the right hand motor is slow to take off if I give it a little nudge off it goes but after a while gets very hot to hot the bearings don't sound noisy if the motor is going faulty where could I get one from any ideas would be very grateful

[teetoon]

Hi, is this in play mode ? Is the actual motor getting hot or is it the deck plate beside it ? I ask this as there is a resistor underneath that is in series with the motor in play mode to lessen the torque. The resistor will get hot. The motor only has full power during fast forward.
The sluggish start in play mode would most likely mean the bearings need lubrication. Remember these machines are around 50 years old or more and grease and oil dry out over time.

David.

[Dorian27]

Hi thanks for reply it sluggish to start FF I have to give it a stat but it goes ok for a bit and slows again it get hot only on fast forward it seems as if the shaft inside is slipping and making the motor get hot it smells hot as well it plays tape Wright through with out getting hot checked the brakes seem ok not binding to be honest I do think the motor is playing up any ideas where I might get one

[Dorian27]

Sorry not sluggish in play mode at all

[Ted Kendall]

Some examples of this deck gave trouble with the spool carrier slipping on the motor shaft through differential expansion. This was overcome by slotting the sleeve on the spool carrier which sat over the motor shaft, allowing the fixing collar to clamp the carrier more firmly.

[teetoon]

When you say it sounds like it's slipping, I wonder if the reel table is loose on the shaft. It is held on by a screw. You should not be able to lift the table upwards without releasing the screw so if it is loose, that is the problem.

As for sourcing another motor, look for used spares on ebay or a scrap deck.
You could also put a wanted add on the forum.
Chances are though that the motor is fine. They do get warm after a bit of running time.

Edit : crossed with Ted. He is far more knowlegeable than me on tape decks.

David.

[ben]

Before condemning the motor, why not add a drop of light oil to the bearing(s)?

[Dorian27]

You say the screw is loose this is correct I can lift reel tape without touching the screw what can I do with this it does seem to be slipping on the shaft and thanks for your help it is much appreciated

[Dorian27]

Hy Ted Kendall these are the pictures I hope

[Ted Kendall]

Much as I thought - the clamping screw is in a collar around a sleeve which forms the lower part of the turntable. Over time, it becomes impossible for the collar to make the sleeve grip the motor spindle tightly enough. The contemporary cure for this is to remove the collar and cut a slot in the part of the sleeve compressed by the collar screw. The two halves of the sleeve can then be nipped up tightly by the collar and the turntable remains clapmed to the motor shaft.

[Dorian27]

How should I remove the collar or sleeve not sure what to do got

[Ted Kendall]

If you remove the screw from the collar it should, with a little gentle persuasion, come off. You then have access to the sleeve to cut the slot.

[Dorian27]

Ok but sorry to be a pain but how long a slot do I cut and do I do the 2 reels the same and would I use hack saw to do this please

[Ted Kendall]

In the absence of a slotting tool, a hacksaw will do. The slot should be a gnat's longer than the depth of the collar. Use some machine oil as a lubricant for the blade and to control swarf. Remove all swarf and clean up any burring - you don't want odd particles dropping into the bearings or impairing the fit on the spindle. Do this to the feed turntable if the same problem is present. Otherwise, if it ain't broke...

[Dorian27]

Thank you very much for all your help and suppor

[Dorian27]

Thanks to everyone who helped me as well