Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR - Page 2 - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

ssnjimb · 30th Aug 2019, 10:40 pm

Is that due to the optical tape sensor/switch)

James

John123 · 31st Aug 2019, 1:14 am

Yes, and it can lead to much head-scratching!

vhs doctor · 31st Aug 2019, 10:54 am

Hi
The tape counter for 3 seconds measures or not ( in any function FF, REW, PLAY)?

toshiba tony · 31st Aug 2019, 12:07 pm

Hitachi, Sharp and LG were the biggest offenders to be affected by external light. Between us all I think we have got the guy sorted. Aiding engineers on the phone was one of my roles at Sony,80's, although it's rusty these days. This is a fantastic site in helping people.

toshiba tony · 31st Aug 2019, 12:14 pm

I think on this model the tape counter and tape used counter works on the time honoured method of ACE pulses. If the pulses are absent this wont stop the tape. Whereas take up reel pulses will.

vhs doctor · 31st Aug 2019, 12:19 pm

As i remember this mechanism does not have option for. ACE pulse. JVC use these mechanisms in HR-D150/140.
The first mechanism which use ACE pulse was in HR-D5** models.

toshiba tony · 31st Aug 2019, 12:59 pm

Right, not in the trade now, stayed in it till two years ago, at LG, sorting their LCD\LED rubbish out. Still have two VHS machines in regular use. They get neglected. One is a Philips turbo deck that doesnt require grease, but the mini gear on the end of the shaft breaks, and the other a Sony that recently died due to the mains smoother going S\C. But down to to you, who's obviously more familiar with this model I'll just watch. Curious though, take care,
Tony Walker
PS But I think he's a lot better off now than when he first posted about his faulty Thorn. As I said before, people on here take the extra step. I was made global moderator on a similar site years ago, and enjoyed sorting people.

Vauxfan2k · 10th Sep 2019, 9:46 am

283589322931 ebay item number for the belt kit for this machine.

I did notice from working on mine that they dont like to operate in bright light with the lid off.

Theres also one of the capacitors on the power supply if faulty stops the machine playing when initially laced up.

HamishBoxer · 10th Sep 2019, 10:27 am

Ditto with most end sensors do not like much light. I.E Nat Pan,s.

ssnjimb · 11th Sep 2019, 10:30 am

Hello

What is the number and position of said capacitor.

I think it's that.

James

Vauxfan2k · 11th Sep 2019, 8:07 pm

Trying to remember, I've repaired so many, and currently own over 50 ferguson machines now.

I checked the circuit protectors and found one was blown, also replaced the capacitor marked. That was enough for my machine to get it working.

Now that the winter is coming il be getting stuck back into the ones I've been buying over the summer.

dj_fivos_sak · 12th Sep 2019, 9:46 pm

Because these machines didn't thread the tape during FF/REW, it wasn't possible to implement a tape counter that measures pulses from the control track. Sony did that in some models like the SL-C30 since on most Betamax machines the tape stays threaded in all modes, but they didn't feature a real-time counter.

Fivos

toshiba tony · 13th Sep 2019, 3:25 am

So didn't they half load then? Not even round the audio\ctl head. This particular deck I don't recall.

ssnjimb · 24th Sep 2019, 2:18 pm

Hello Everyone

After cleaning everything inside etc.

I tested a tape with the cover on and

It works very well indeed.

Iam starting another thread for my 1982 Santo vtc 5000 as it needs it's power supply rebuilding.

It also needs servicing in the electronics.

James

ssnjimb · 24th Sep 2019, 4:05 pm

Is the 3v55 mono sound ?

I have a 7 pin din plug with 2 RCA's left and right but have no audio

Video obviously works

James

dj_fivos_sak · 27th Sep 2019, 12:10 pm

James

Usually the DIN audio connector on these old JVC machines provides mono audio input and output. At least that's the case with my HR-3330, HR-7700, HR-D110 and HR-D120.

Fivos

ssnjimb · 27th Sep 2019, 2:06 pm

Hello fivos

Thankyou for your reply

How do I connect it to a stereo TV to get sound. I'm currently getting nothing.

Video out works better than RF out.

James

julie_m · 27th Sep 2019, 2:42 pm

The audio output will be on pins 3 and 5, with 2 common. A 7-pin DIN socket might additionally carry video on pin 6 (in) and 7 (out).

Note the pins are NOT numbered in order 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 as you might naïvely expect, but 6-1-4-2-5-3-7; this is because the original standard was 3 pins for two-way mono audio with a common earth, then later pins 4 and 5 were added to give stereo audio but a 3-pin plug would still fit the 5-pin socket, and even later pins 6 and 7 were added for additional signals.

ssnjimb · 30th Sep 2019, 10:34 am

But how do I use it. Newer videostars like the 3v65 has it labeled audio in and out. Is it switched. I'm sorry if I'm not understanding

James

julie_m · 30th Sep 2019, 2:56 pm

The DIN socket is switched when being used as an input -- i.e., it's only used when the TUNER / AUX switch is in the AUX position -- but whatever audio is being sent to the RF modulator (usually TV sound) will come out of pins 3 and 5 of the DIN socket all the time.

How is your DIN-to-RCA cable wired?

30th Aug 2019, 10:40 pm	#21
ssnjimb Tetrode Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Evesham, Worcestershire, UK. Posts: 83	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR Is that due to the optical tape sensor/switch) James

31st Aug 2019, 1:14 am	#22
John123 Heptode Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Luton, Bedfordshire, UK. Posts: 891	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR Yes, and it can lead to much head-scratching! __________________ Regards, John

31st Aug 2019, 10:54 am	#23
vhs doctor Pentode Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Athens, Greece. Posts: 173	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR Hi The tape counter for 3 seconds measures or not ( in any function FF, REW, PLAY)?

31st Aug 2019, 12:07 pm	#24
toshiba tony Heptode Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accrington, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 978	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR Hitachi, Sharp and LG were the biggest offenders to be affected by external light. Between us all I think we have got the guy sorted. Aiding engineers on the phone was one of my roles at Sony,80's, although it's rusty these days. This is a fantastic site in helping people.

31st Aug 2019, 12:14 pm	#25
toshiba tony Heptode Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accrington, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 978	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR I think on this model the tape counter and tape used counter works on the time honoured method of ACE pulses. If the pulses are absent this wont stop the tape. Whereas take up reel pulses will.

31st Aug 2019, 12:19 pm	#26
vhs doctor Pentode Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Athens, Greece. Posts: 173	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR As i remember this mechanism does not have option for. ACE pulse. JVC use these mechanisms in HR-D150/140. The first mechanism which use ACE pulse was in HR-D5** models.

31st Aug 2019, 12:59 pm	#27
toshiba tony Heptode Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accrington, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 978	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR Right, not in the trade now, stayed in it till two years ago, at LG, sorting their LCD\LED rubbish out. Still have two VHS machines in regular use. They get neglected. One is a Philips turbo deck that doesnt require grease, but the mini gear on the end of the shaft breaks, and the other a Sony that recently died due to the mains smoother going S\C. But down to to you, who's obviously more familiar with this model I'll just watch. Curious though, take care, Tony Walker PS But I think he's a lot better off now than when he first posted about his faulty Thorn. As I said before, people on here take the extra step. I was made global moderator on a similar site years ago, and enjoyed sorting people.

10th Sep 2019, 9:46 am	#28
Vauxfan2k Hexode Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Inverness, Highland, UK. Posts: 300	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR 283589322931 ebay item number for the belt kit for this machine. I did notice from working on mine that they dont like to operate in bright light with the lid off. Theres also one of the capacitors on the power supply if faulty stops the machine playing when initially laced up.

10th Sep 2019, 10:27 am	#29
HamishBoxer Dekatron Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: W.Butterwick, near Doncaster UK. Posts: 8,931	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR Ditto with most end sensors do not like much light. I.E Nat Pan,s. __________________ G8JET BVWS Archivist and Member V.M.A.R.S

11th Sep 2019, 10:30 am	#30
ssnjimb Tetrode Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Evesham, Worcestershire, UK. Posts: 83	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR Hello What is the number and position of said capacitor. I think it's that. James

11th Sep 2019, 8:07 pm	#31
Vauxfan2k Hexode Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Inverness, Highland, UK. Posts: 300	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR Trying to remember, I've repaired so many, and currently own over 50 ferguson machines now. I checked the circuit protectors and found one was blown, also replaced the capacitor marked. That was enough for my machine to get it working. Now that the winter is coming il be getting stuck back into the ones I've been buying over the summer. Attached Thumbnails

12th Sep 2019, 9:46 pm	#32
dj_fivos_sak Heptode Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Lefkada, Greece Posts: 969	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR Because these machines didn't thread the tape during FF/REW, it wasn't possible to implement a tape counter that measures pulses from the control track. Sony did that in some models like the SL-C30 since on most Betamax machines the tape stays threaded in all modes, but they didn't feature a real-time counter. Fivos

13th Sep 2019, 3:25 am	#33
toshiba tony Heptode Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accrington, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 978	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR So didn't they half load then? Not even round the audio\ctl head. This particular deck I don't recall.

24th Sep 2019, 2:18 pm	#34
ssnjimb Tetrode Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Evesham, Worcestershire, UK. Posts: 83	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR Hello Everyone After cleaning everything inside etc. I tested a tape with the cover on and It works very well indeed. Iam starting another thread for my 1982 Santo vtc 5000 as it needs it's power supply rebuilding. It also needs servicing in the electronics. James

24th Sep 2019, 4:05 pm	#35
ssnjimb Tetrode Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Evesham, Worcestershire, UK. Posts: 83	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR Is the 3v55 mono sound ? I have a 7 pin din plug with 2 RCA's left and right but have no audio Video obviously works James

27th Sep 2019, 12:10 pm	#36
dj_fivos_sak Heptode Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Lefkada, Greece Posts: 969	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR James Usually the DIN audio connector on these old JVC machines provides mono audio input and output. At least that's the case with my HR-3330, HR-7700, HR-D110 and HR-D120. Fivos

27th Sep 2019, 2:06 pm	#37
ssnjimb Tetrode Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Evesham, Worcestershire, UK. Posts: 83	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR Hello fivos Thankyou for your reply How do I connect it to a stereo TV to get sound. I'm currently getting nothing. Video out works better than RF out. James

27th Sep 2019, 2:42 pm	#38
julie_m Dekatron Join Date: May 2008 Location: Derby, UK. Posts: 7,735	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR The audio output will be on pins 3 and 5, with 2 common. A 7-pin DIN socket might additionally carry video on pin 6 (in) and 7 (out). Note the pins are NOT numbered in order 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 as you might naïvely expect, but 6-1-4-2-5-3-7; this is because the original standard was 3 pins for two-way mono audio with a common earth, then later pins 4 and 5 were added to give stereo audio but a 3-pin plug would still fit the 5-pin socket, and even later pins 6 and 7 were added for additional signals. __________________ If I have seen further than others, it is because I was standing on a pile of failed experiments.

30th Sep 2019, 10:34 am	#39
ssnjimb Tetrode Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Evesham, Worcestershire, UK. Posts: 83	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR But how do I use it. Newer videostars like the 3v65 has it labeled audio in and out. Is it switched. I'm sorry if I'm not understanding James

30th Sep 2019, 2:56 pm	#40
julie_m Dekatron Join Date: May 2008 Location: Derby, UK. Posts: 7,735	Re: Ferguson 3V55 Videostar VCR The DIN socket is switched when being used as an input -- i.e., it's only used when the TUNER / AUX switch is in the AUX position -- but whatever audio is being sent to the RF modulator (usually TV sound) will come out of pins 3 and 5 of the DIN socket all the time. How is your DIN-to-RCA cable wired? __________________ If I have seen further than others, it is because I was standing on a pile of failed experiments.