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Old 18th Mar 2017, 2:33 pm   #61
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I had occasion to contact my bank recently, and the automatic voice menu asked me to confirm my postcode using words
I just keep saying "human being please" I get one quite quickly, usually from an indian call centre, much better than a machine.
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Old 18th Mar 2017, 6:51 pm   #62
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rYes, but virtually everyone knows the word sugar, and it doesn't rhyme with anything else.
Bought a kilogram of sugar
On the way to watch the Rugger
Had it stolen by a mugger
Just wait till I catch the ...... perpetrator!
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Old 18th Mar 2017, 6:57 pm   #63
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I wonder if he came from Kuggar...

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Old 18th Mar 2017, 7:03 pm   #64
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I believe the word 'Hygge', as used by Danes to describe a state of comfortable well-being and fortified indulgences rhymes with sugar.

But they'll have their own phonetic alphabet.
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Old 18th Mar 2017, 7:33 pm   #65
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re #16, some years ago I had to call a company in Texas, and their automated switchboard asked you to speak the number of the extension you wanted. It did not recognize my British English pronunciation, and I had to say numbers in my best imitation of the sort of Texas drawl I had heard in cowboy films to get connected: fow-wer for 4, nine-er for 9, etc.
Try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjO1BXzZLpE for a similar example!

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I work on the railway as part of my job. I remember how amazed I was when did my trackside training safety course and that the phonetic alphabet was a big part of the exam. Luckily I was doing my Ham radio licenses at the time. Still don't use them very frequently and always get them wrong even now when I'm under pressure. I'm still mic shy.
So you will know the bit about road signs from Wales and the length of some of them.
But you'll also know about the protocol for both repetition of the information and the need for all parties to be fully of the actions intended, which is just a step on from clear communication.
And yes - LL get put out as Lima Lima. As does DD as delta delta.
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Thanks for the Youtube link: brilliant, and not completely outrageous! When I did get through I then had trouble with the very Texan receptionist who asked who I was from, and had not heard of Marconi: "How are you spelling that sir?", and I then had to spell it out in my best Texan accent.
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Old 18th Mar 2017, 9:42 pm   #68
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Yes, but virtually everyone knows the word sugar, and it doesn't rhyme with anything else. Which also is a reasonable argument for "o for orange" by the way
Sugar doesnt rhyme? It does in the midlands...******

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And here, especially if I hit my thumb with a hammer by mistake.
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I had an Indian gentleman on the phone today struggling to make up a phonetic alphabet as he went along. Most notable was "T for... tea".
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Different phonetics with the same spelling

There was a young lady from Slough
Who last year developed a cough
She wasn't to know
it would last until now
I hope the poor girl will pull through

And same phonetics with different spelling

Ford Cougar from several years ago, a 2 door coupe based on a Mazda (MX6?),
Ford Kuga the current SUV.

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Old 20th Mar 2017, 12:47 pm   #72
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G.B. Shaw was a great observer of the vagaries of pronunciation in the English language. One of his little anecdotes asked how one should pronounce the word "ghoti"?










The answer is "fish".











"gh" as in enough; "I" as in women and "ti" as in nation.

Probably Oscar Tango too much.
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A bit of trivea, the origin of ghoti/fish goes back earlier to a distant relative of mine, William Ollier, he was a journalist and was the son of Charles Ollier, Charles Ollier was Percy Shelley's publisher (amongst others) He turned down the offer to publish Mary Shelly's Frankenstein.

The ghoti/fish thing was mentioned in a letter written by Charles Ollier to his life long friend Leigh Hunt.

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Different phonetics with the same spelling

There was a young lady from Slough
Who last year developed a cough
She wasn't to know
it would last until now
I hope the poor girl will pull through

And same phonetics with different spelling

Ford Cougar from several years ago, a 2 door coupe based on a Mazda (MX6?),
Ford Kuga the current SUV.

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Ah yes, the ou combination. Through, thorough, though: always gets 'em!

One thing that always amuses/terrifies/baffles (take your pick) my students is the different ways of saying 'ea':
-bear (eə)
-great (eI)
-heard (ɜ: )
-tea (i: )
-near (ɪə)
-threat (e)

The IPA is essential in such cases.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 12:18 pm   #75
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The IPA is essential in such cases.
I assume you are meaning International Phonetic Alphabet, not isopropyl alcohol (might help to clean the mess) or India Pale Ale (although this would surely help).
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The Will Hay teaching of English to Germans in WW2 sequence is apparently cut from the DVD film but not from the VHS edition. I think it featured such places as Circencester and Gloucester and included the Bow/Bough/Boff and similar as well as the suggestion if there was any trouble the persons should be tied up in Notts.

There is a difference between know-it-alls and geniuses. The know-it-all has Phydoux on his dog's water bowl, whereas the genius sets up website and business Bioux and makes a profit on apparel for the women with loads of money to spend.
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