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Old 10th Dec 2023, 7:19 pm   #121
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Bazinga! Excellent work.
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Old 5th Jan 2024, 3:24 pm   #122
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Here's the completed schematic for the Telekit 537 PCB.

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I'll be starting a new thread to canvas thoughts on creating a replica (a Telekit II, if you will)
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Old 5th Jan 2024, 3:49 pm   #123
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So how much of the original eprom dump turned out to be good Ian?
Did you have to re-write the whole thing, or did you work around sections from the eprom?
...and how does the overall finished code compare with the original Natsemis code?
All fascinating stuff, maybe a good start to the new thread?
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Old 5th Jan 2024, 5:54 pm   #124
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So how much of the original eprom dump turned out to be good Ian?
The majority of it was good, I'd say 90%. I added around 50 bytes to the NatSemi code.

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...and how does the overall finished code compare with the original Natsemis code?
No re-write, just took a long time to understand what all the variables are there for (still a few undocumented ones). I added new code as required and amended a small amount of existing code. In Version 11 (see #120) I've identified added code with ;NEW and modifications with ;CHANGE. You'll see there's been hardly any change, but the key thing was initialising variables and setting the shift registers into the correct mode to write out to the display while simultaneously reading back from the key matrix.

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All fascinating stuff, maybe a good start to the new thread?
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I want to document what I've learned about the LCDS and Telekit before moving off to something else. Maybe something along the lines of Tim's excellent SCRUMPI book.

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Old 5th Jan 2024, 6:24 pm   #125
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Oooh yes. Signed copy, please!
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Old 6th Jan 2024, 1:08 am   #126
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Maybe something along the lines of Tim's excellent SCRUMPI book.

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Thanks for that link - I'd somehow missed seeing the existence of this before, despite previously following links to other (Softy etc) stuff on Tim's Onedrive, that were too large to attach here.
- And having a quick read, I've only just discovered that the origins of 'MK14' was "short for Microcomputer Kit 14 – the number being the least number of chips it can run with."
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Old 25th Feb 2024, 5:53 pm   #127
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A quick update on whether this TELEKIT is an early prototype or not. As shown in post #16, the wiring mod's on the back of the board were pretty low quality and as we learned, the SW definitely wasn't complete. So that points to it being a early development model. But I think what has clinched it is the attached photo.

I decided to remove the silk-screened keypad overlay in preparation for when I find a replacement working keypad and to my surprise under the silk-screened part was a hand drawn keypad, even including the Nat Semi logo. That must have been done while they were waiting for the overlay to be printed.

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So all of a sudden that broken keypad is looking a lot more interesting and will definitely get stored with the other component parts of the LCDS.
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Old 27th Apr 2024, 8:57 am   #128
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I've only just seen this. Very interesting.
We knew the keys arrangement/colours were unique to the 6025 Financier PR calculator. And that the flexible membrane matrix matches that also.
Now in your picture there are traces of the 6025 keypad markings.
This was probably the very first version. A lot of markings to repeat. Wait for the overlays...
I've no idea why they put those new white boxes around various keys.
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Old 7th May 2024, 7:54 pm   #129
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I just recently managed to get hold of a Novus Financier PR calculator from the States. It wasn’t cheap but necessary to complete the testing of the Telekit (a unique item, so worth the outlay). I’ve now demonstrated all keys working with the LCDS, although it ignores most of them, so I had a scope monitoring the output of the Telekit decoding the serial stream. I’ve been working on a MM5204 programmer and will post some pictures when the PCB is ready to order. The EPROM is the last bit to be updated before re-assembling it. Hope to have it on display at the next CFCH vintage computers show in November.
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Old 7th May 2024, 10:56 pm   #130
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I just recently managed to get hold of a Novus Financier PR calculator from the States. It wasn’t cheap but necessary to complete the testing of the Telekit (a unique item, so worth the outlay).
Does this mean you sacrificed one unique item to restore another unique item?

I think the calculator may have been rare but the telekit is one of a kind and may have been the original prototype.
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Old 8th May 2024, 12:50 am   #131
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Theres currently a 6020 on Etsy:
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/8854...6020-financier
and a 6025 here
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Old 8th May 2024, 5:34 am   #132
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Does this mean you sacrificed one unique item to restore another unique item?

I think the calculator may have been rare but the telekit is one of a kind and may have been the original prototype.
I did feel a bit bad about using a working calculator for parts. The 6025s are hard to come by but not unique. The non-working one Phil spotted on eBay will be around $75 including shipping to the UK. That’s quite a lot to risk if the keypad turns out to be faulty, although I suspect it is more likely a dead NiCad pack causing trouble.
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Thanks Phil. It needs to be the 6025 as the slide switch at the top is used as a shift/ctrl key (which actually makes the Telekit a bit slow and painful to use).
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