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Old 28th Sep 2023, 4:27 pm   #1
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Default Mystery Philips??

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This is advertised for sale right now and I have no idea what it is!!

It’s being described as a "Philips Licentie" - that just means "licence" but it has a ship symbol on the station list together with "Wereldsuper 139” - which I cannot find a reference to anywhere…..

Any ideas please?

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Old 28th Sep 2023, 4:48 pm   #2
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Looks like its a Waldorp

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/waldorp_139.html

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Old 28th Sep 2023, 4:53 pm   #3
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That's it! Thanks Mike!!

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Old 28th Sep 2023, 5:03 pm   #4
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I do wonder if yours is a slightly upmarket version and this isn't an absolute match but close enough to get started.

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Old 28th Sep 2023, 6:22 pm   #5
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It's not mine - yet!

I'm thinking about it - do I really want another radio to join the restoration queue!

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Old 28th Sep 2023, 6:44 pm   #6
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If that's a positive ID, from the valve lineup it doesn't really look like it would have been a 'hot' receiver back in its time, and given the extent to which MW/LW/SW broadcasters have now gone through multiple half-lives of decay retrenchment and contraction, it wouldn't be the sort of radio that would be high on my list of acquisitions.
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 6:50 pm   #7
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Very nice set anyway. It looks very Philips - is there any association?
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 6:52 pm   #8
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Yup - they were made in 1938 under licence from Philips...
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 7:30 pm   #9
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No they weren't. Or actually sort of were but not really.

Waldorp was a mainly a specialised furniture maker turned radio factory. Early models were based on Van der Heem (Erres) technology. Starting in the (late) 1930's they bought complete chassis from Philips and mounted them in fancy looking cabinets, sometimes with clocks or ornamental lighting. They even made a set that had a world clock based on moving celluloid film.

The license stickers on the chassis and a separate one for the cabinet, came with the chassis as they were delivered from the Philips factory. They didn't indicate the set was made under license, but that royalties for various Philips patents were paid (of course they were, as they were included in the chassis price).

Stickers like this were mainly seen on Philips made chassis (they were even used in Philips made sub-brand sets such as NSF and Aristona), though presumably some imported sets could have sported them as well, if they made use of one or more Philips patents.

EDIT: The white paper label on the back of the chassis would have the Waldorp model number (which might be 139, or another variation on the same theme). At some point in time, the Waldorp model number was equal to the retail rice in guilders. 139 guilders seems plausible.

A funny detail in this regard, was that one or more model numbers actually ended in 1/2.

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The mains voltage selector “clock”, the rectifier mounted above the transformer and the loudspeaker in a cloth bag is defiantly Philips manufactured origin.

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Old 28th Sep 2023, 9:52 pm   #11
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EDIT: The white paper label on the back of the chassis would have the Waldorp model number (which might be 139, or another variation on the same theme). At some point in time, the Waldorp model number was equal to the retail rice in guilders. 139 guilders seems plausible.
Seems like that may be spot on

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Old 28th Sep 2023, 10:25 pm   #12
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Many thanks Maarten - that is really fascinating. The seller bought it from an auction house, so there is no real history, but I suspect it came to the UK via somebody who brought it over from the Netherlands....

I'd better buy it now that I've found it (and I've tracked down a schematic!)

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The schematic of a Philips model with a similar or same chassis can be used (except for modifications that Waldorp themselves might have made, if any). I seem to remember the chassis Philips sold to Waldorp were often intended for sub-brands, so if a Philips type is stamped on it (ink stamp somewhere) it might be a Siera number (S followed by 2 or 3 digits).
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