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7th Feb 2019, 8:25 pm | #21 |
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If you already have a composite / AV out lead for your 360, all you need to connect that directly to the TV is one of these:-
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0014HB4YO Available from other suppliers, that was the first one I found. Converting from HDMI to SCART is certainly a level of complication you don't need but either way, you are 'downscaling' to SD by not directly using either the HDMI or VGA output capability of the 360 so you won't get very good picture quality. |
7th Feb 2019, 8:49 pm | #22 |
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I have the lead, which I use for a very complicated method of using my audio equipment speakers for my PC which should work.
Would using this improve picture quality? Even if just slightly? Thanks for your help |
7th Feb 2019, 9:54 pm | #23 | |
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Replaceme...K/232249027830 Would it improve the picture quality? I don't know whether your HDMI to SCART converter is producing a SCART RGB or SCART composite signal, but it will be doing a lot of processing / crunching to generate a low resolution signal from the HDMI source and it might be doing that really well, or it might be doing that really badly. Whereas, with the type of lead linked to above the Xbox will natively generate a PAL composite video signal. As I said, this is the least desirable of all the possible video connection methods for a 360, but if that's all your TV supports.. Unfortunately, given the wide range of video output types supported by the Xbox 360, the one glaring omission seems to be standard-definition RGB. Instead, they went for 'Component' as the high quality standard connection, probably because this was more widely used in the 360's USA home market and Australia - RGB via SCART seems to have been very much a European thing. My first 360 was a first-generation 'Grey Cooling Tower' which did not have HDMI out, so I used that for quite a few years with a 'VGA' video output lead and a large CRT VGA monitor - the image quality that way was far better, much higher resolution than any SD TV display and offered a wide range of pixel high / pixel wide resolutions for different monitors and aspect ratios. Edit: Sorry, I missed the fact that although you have a 360 you are currently using an Xbox One. I'm not so sure about the range of outputs available on that, and the lead I linked to above is for the 360. Last edited by SiriusHardware; 7th Feb 2019 at 10:05 pm. |
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7th Feb 2019, 10:04 pm | #24 | |
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Of course, to compensate for overscan or geometric distortion, the TS could adjust his V-size and H-size presets. |
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7th Feb 2019, 10:12 pm | #25 | |
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You can feed composite video into a scart socket, you just need the right connectors. You can get scart plugs with three RCA sockets mounted on them. There is one (yellow) for composite video, and a red & a white one for audio. The picture on the Hitachi looks really good- can you post some pictures of it in your other thread just to round it off? Select some images that show it off to it's best advantage! It will be great to see it working properly! All the best Nick |
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8th Feb 2019, 12:21 am | #27 |
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Predictably, this has got very complex! So the VCR in the daisy chain [post 11] is actually there to facilitate experimenting with various X Box configurations Or is that wrong? Are you recording to tape? I like a good quality picture but sometimes content is more important and I can live with side bars or a reduced resolution. It's very personal. Some people here say its impossible to watch VHS material on say, a 50" FS but I do-some times!
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8th Feb 2019, 12:37 am | #28 | |
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Yes it has! The VCR is there for use of a Modulator, and will most likely be a permanent modulator, or long term at least. I'm not recording to tape, but I do play tapes with a different VCR, which for some odd reason, will not tune into my TV, so I have to hook the tape playing VCR to the modulator VCR. (The modulator VCR won't play tapes, even after a clean and a service) If I use either xbox, usually xbox one, I skip the TP VCR and go to the Modulator VCR. I can live with borders, but I was just wondering if there was a way to fill the whole screen, as some youtube videos fill the whole screen in either 4:3 or 16:9 (Then I lose edges) Reduced resolution, not too much of an issue either, but can be annoying at times. I've never played a VHS on a large screen TV, but i'd imagine the larger, HD TVs and the like show all the VHS' imperfections Thanks |
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8th Feb 2019, 1:38 am | #29 |
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I wouldn't expect there to be a wide range of resolutions available on the Xbox One, since this was released well into the era of HD and LCD displays. The Xbox 360 was just about in the era where there were still CRT displays in abundance, so you might have more luck with that.
I don't think anyone expected the Xbox One to ever be connected to a CRT television. I don't know anything about consoles but I would be surprised if it offered any interlaced video options or 4:3 aspect ratio. On the other hand if you're into classic gaming the likes of the Sega Megadrive were made to connect directly to the aerial socket and will look better on a CRT. VHS should also look better with the lower resolution and no digital processing. Older DVD players should have composite output and options to set the aspect ratio. Older Sky Digital boxes had these options as well. |
8th Feb 2019, 2:05 am | #30 |
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I, relatively recently, asked why mobile phone footage, which is a vertical strip and often relates to very serious matters, couldn't be presented as 16:9 for example? There were lots of negative answers, non of which I understood. Some people didn't seem to even grasp the question. I posted recently that it's now been confirmed that you can look round the corner in a photo [as per the fictional Blade Runner film ] using now established scientific techniques. Anything should be, or probably is possible now!
Yes you do get imperfections on a 50" screen but if it's something you've archived for decades you don't care. It's wonderful to view it warts and all. This is what pedantic, purist, perfectionists can't ever grasp. There is a principle in Social Work [Family Therapy] that applies to technical advances as well. It's "Content Not Process". This means don't get bogged down in detail. Look at the message not the medium to invert Professor Marshall McLuhan's famous observation. Dave Last edited by dave walsh; 8th Feb 2019 at 2:17 am. |
8th Feb 2019, 2:28 am | #31 | |
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The xbox 360 isnt connected to the internet as it costs money to go online, the xbox one is connected (More point of connecting the newer console to the Wifi instead of an older barely used console) I do have an Atari 2600 which plugs right into the back of the TV, im not much of a gamer otherwise. I also prefer VHS on the 70s set. I did once play a VHS on a FS, 1080p and it didn’t look right, it was easily watchable, but just seemed odd. (Even a worker in Currys said that somethings look better on CRTs than on the new 8k TVs) Did virgin media boxes have composite output with AR optolns too, as we’re with Virgin Media Thanks |
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8th Feb 2019, 12:45 pm | #32 | |
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We didn't get this problem with footage produced by conventional video cameras because they, like the TVs their footage was intended to be shown on, had a fixed orientation, so there was only one sensible way up to hold the camera. This produced footage which suited most TV displays. Just about the only feasible way to display phone 'portrait' mode video over the whole of a 'landscape' TV display while still preserving its aspect ratio is to turn the footage on its side. You don't really want to have to turn your TV onto one end every time the news shows a few seconds of blurry phone footage which was inadvisedly shot in portrait mode? |
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8th Feb 2019, 3:22 pm | #33 |
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At least if you or I happened to witness a world changing event, and filmed it along with a load of VVS merchants**, it is our footage that will make the 6 O'Clock news $$$$$
** VVS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA
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8th Feb 2019, 5:03 pm | #34 |
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Good point Rambo. Going back to the perfectionist theme, I recall the days when BBC News would be offered 8mm or better film footage of major incidents but refused to use it. The reason that emerged seemed to be that it didn't match their specific professional quality standard. To my recollection, it was only when CH4 began using the new generation of Sony Semi Pro and Lightweight Video [3 chip?] Video Cameras, for Documentary or News coverage that attitudes changed. "Content not process" as I said.
Thanks Sirius I think I'm a bit better "orientated" now. From time to time there are certain things I just don't get somehow! I remember that Brian Eno once had an artwork [a video of a New York Skyscraper] displayed by standing the WS Monitor on it's end! My Blade Runner comment was meant to suggest that what can't be done [now] may [increasingly] be possible in the future! Dave W Last edited by dave walsh; 8th Feb 2019 at 5:10 pm. |
8th Feb 2019, 7:03 pm | #35 |
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I seem to remember that the video screens in Kubrick's film "2001" " were portrait mode!
I have a vague recollection that ITV tried using Super-8 for filming speedway footage in the mid-1960's. |
8th Feb 2019, 7:29 pm | #36 |
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I suppose what's at the root of Dave's question is: What if you could somehow 'reconstruct' the scene which is outside the left and right boundaries of a portrait mode video.
I would suggest that it would be simpler just to equip the phone with sensor / lens coverage much wider than the field of view seen on the vertically oriented screen - the user would still hold the phone whichever way up they wanted to and compose the shot on what they see, but if played back on a landscape player the 'wider' recorded material would be seen. The main argument against this is the amount of storage which would be wasted recording the unseen 'side' information when it might never be seen. A better, and more practical idea: Automatically disable video recording on any mobile phone which is oriented vertically. ...Problem solved. Rambo, I had to google VVS. It means different things in different contexts but I'm sure this is the one you had in mind. https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...deo%20syndrome Last edited by SiriusHardware; 8th Feb 2019 at 7:37 pm. |
8th Feb 2019, 8:55 pm | #37 |
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I've got a Virgin Media Tivo box (not the newest one) but can't remember what connectors are on the back and it's not easy to get to it to check. The older Virgin boxes had SCART sockets. If your box has a SCART then it is likely to output composite video on pin 19. You'd still need a modulator to connect to your TV though.
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9th Feb 2019, 12:39 am | #38 | |
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9th Feb 2019, 1:39 am | #39 |
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Thanks very much Graham. You're comment is like Gold Dust! Not many people seem to confirm, let alone recall, what I'm on about
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