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Old 21st Jun 2024, 7:36 pm   #61
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Delighted to say that re-insertion of the capacitor in the bell circuit has produced a good strong ring.
It still doesn't ring properly. The cadence is wrong; I'm still expecting 'lootenant' Columbo to shamble in.
It must be possible to re-set this in the APA's programming; but the BT engineer didn't leave the instructions which came with it. They may be on-line somewhere.
An odd thing about this particular 8746: It ought to be fitted with 2000 ohm ringer coils from the factory. It isn't. It has the old 500 ohm ones.
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Old 21st Jun 2024, 9:03 pm   #62
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The ADSL filter trick should have worked but no matter. You may be able to reconfigure the ring cadence as long as BT hasn't locked you out out the ATA.

Before going into that, I doubt you can dial out on your rotary dial phones, this was discussed early in this thread before you posted, so maybe you are aware of the issue?

I have no experience of the ATA they gave you but the manual is here
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/doc...-admin-mp.html

and it is very similar to the Sipura/Linksys/Cisco ATAs that I am familiar with.

To change the ringing cadence you will need to see if you can access the Regional settings of the device.

Before you can do that you need to know its IP address on your LAN, one way of doing that is to connect a modern DTMF phone to it and dial * * * * (four stars)
you should get a voice response.
Then 1 1 0 #
and the IP address should be read to you.
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Old 21st Jun 2024, 9:31 pm   #63
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To change the ringing cadence you will need to see if you can access the Regional settings of the device.

Before you can do that you need to know its IP address on your LAN, one way of doing that is to connect a modern DTMF phone to it and dial * * * * (four stars)
you should get a voice response.
Then 1 1 0 #
and the IP address should be read to you.
Thanks for that useful hack. I tried it successfully on my Grandstream ATA CNet connexion.
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Old 22nd Jun 2024, 4:32 pm   #64
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"Invalid Password. Please try again".
I'll be offline until Tuesday am. I'll try again then.
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Old 22nd Jun 2024, 5:04 pm   #65
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I have realised that I misread 110# as 110*. 110* works, but when I dial 110# the voice says "enter a new option".
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Old 25th Jun 2024, 8:18 pm   #66
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I've tried 110# and 110*. The first says "Invalid Password. Please try again", the second does nothing at all.
Reading the manual makes my head go round and round, like Colonel Deadshott.
Looks like another callout for the BT engineer. It's becoming an expensive hobby!
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Old 25th Jun 2024, 11:26 pm   #67
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Apparently the default password for these units is 24726 so try:-

**** 24726 110#

In the same way that you can access the web portal of your BT Hub by typing
192.168.1.254 into your browser's address bar,
you can also access the ATA once you know its IP address
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Old 27th Jun 2024, 6:46 pm   #68
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it looks as if the default password hasn't been used.

I've tried some variations of the 110# bit without any success.
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Old 27th Jun 2024, 7:23 pm   #69
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Wasn't the government proposing to ban default passwords on new equipment?
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Old 27th Jun 2024, 8:13 pm   #70
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I'm not sure, but I've paid good money for this device, and I would expect to be able to choose the settings on it.
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Old 27th Jun 2024, 10:38 pm   #71
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Apologies if I'm covering ground already covered. I haven't read the whole thread.

You can get the iP address of the device from the router page, or download the Fing app on your phone and scan the network. The phone needs to be connected to the same network the device is connected to
Put the IP address in your browser
Try admin/admin to log in and make changes
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Old 28th Jun 2024, 5:50 pm   #72
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Well, I've found the device on the Router page.
It's called ATA191-MPP, and the IP addressis:
192.168.1.75
I found it through the list of 'devices' connected to the Hub.
The device that the old BT phone plugs into is the ONLY one plugged into Port 2.
Now all I need to work out is what to do with ite IP address now I've got it.
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use a browser, eg Chrome, Edge, etc and put
192.168.1.75 into the URL bar.

Try admin & admin for the user & password.
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Old 29th Jun 2024, 11:07 am   #74
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I tried that last night, and got:

NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID

I was very tired, so I tried again this morning. Still the same.

Do I need to disable the anti-virus?
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It's a common issue when accessing web-servers on your own devices!
Modern browsers are obsessive about security. If there isn't an "advanced" link on the page that gives you the option to continue regardless, try a different browser.

Better still, rather than attempt to fix the issue, try a different device altogether, (tablet, smartphone).
Just made sure they are using your wifi and not your mobile providers Internet.
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Old 29th Jun 2024, 3:27 pm   #76
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Yes; the "advanced" link is there.

I'm through to:

Phone Adapter Configuration Utility log-in page.

I've tried admin & admin for the user & password:
" Invalid Username or Password. Please try again."
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Is the admin username and password written in the device somewhere?
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I've tried admin & admin for the user & password:
" Invalid Username or Password. Please try again."
Try user and user
or try user and leave password blank
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I gave up trying after a number of ultimately unproductive calls (and a Live Chat) to BT, and arranged an engineer's visit.
The engineer arrived this afternoon, and after more than an hour on the phone was denied access to the ATA-191 device.
Before I start to assemble a miniature version of a Ringing Machine, using rotary controllers from a discarded 1970s pub fruit machine, is there anyone here who can either recommend or supply an ATA which is set to the correct ringing cadence for the UK?
The only positive event of the day was the arrival from Australia of my Dialgizmo device (as suggested on this site). It works straiht out of the packet, and has solved the dialling-out problem, to the amazement of the BT engineer!
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is there anyone here who can either recommend or supply an ATA which is set to the correct ringing cadence for the UK?
Yes, sure, but you won't be able to put your BT telephone account onto it.

You will need to subscribe to an independent VoIP supplier and use their call charges and telephone number(s).
You can port your BT number to certain independent suppliers (Voipfone and Andrews & Arnold to name two), but this may well be problematic for you as normally porting out a number will cease not only the telephone service but also the broadband on that line.

The equipment you have been offered is not what is normally seen for residential accounts, so I take it you are on some sort of business account.
If you had the bog-standard BT Hub Two that most BT customers have, your ringing cadence would not be an issue.

Finally I am not at all surprised this ATA is locked down by the ISP, they regard it as proprietary,
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