UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Powered By Google Custom Search Vintage Radio and TV Service Data

Go Back   UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum > General Vintage Technology > General Vintage Technology Discussions

Notices

General Vintage Technology Discussions For general discussions about vintage radio and other vintage electronics etc.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 1st Oct 2020, 10:27 am   #1
Tyso_Bl
Hexode
 
Tyso_Bl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Magor, Monmouthshire, Wales, UK.
Posts: 436
Default Epoxied transistor removal, non destructive.

Hi,

This is a vertical deflection amplifier from a scope, the output transistors have an aluminium heatsink which is unsupported, so the manufacturer has chosen to solder them to the PCB, and to make sure that the solder doesn't fail has put a blob of what I think is some sort of
epoxy type resin to keep it all secure.

The question is how to I get them out? the soldering iron does nothing to the glue...
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	epoxied_transistors.jpg
Views:	170
Size:	51.3 KB
ID:	216748  
__________________
Adapt, Improvise, Oh Bother.....
Tyso_Bl is offline  
Old 1st Oct 2020, 1:27 pm   #2
Radio Wrangler
Moderator
 
Radio Wrangler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Fife, Scotland, UK.
Posts: 22,902
Default Re: Epoxied transistor removal, non destructive.

Tiny scrapers and files to abrade the stuff away. A microdrill if you have one. Don't bother with stone burrs, they just clog. A tungsten carbide burr is what I use, in a Desoutter air-driven turbine tool. It's like an unburnoutable Dremel on steroids, gets colder the harder you work it. Have a good breeze blowing debris away from your breathing air.

Don't try to clear from the solder mask, just go for the solder meniscus, it doesn't matter when you touch that.

David
__________________
Can't afford the volcanic island yet, but the plans for my monorail and the goons' uniforms are done
Radio Wrangler is online now  
Old 1st Oct 2020, 1:29 pm   #3
Terry_VK5TM
Nonode
 
Terry_VK5TM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Tintinara, South Australia, Australia
Posts: 2,342
Default Re: Epoxied transistor removal, non destructive.

Edge of a sharp blade and carefully slide it under one edge of the epoxy and twist the blade up.

If you are lucky, the whole 'blob' will pop off, otherwise keep working around it with the blade.

Alternatively, depending on what it is, IPA may soften it enough to make it easier to pick off but it will be a slow process.
__________________
Terry VK5TM
https://www.vk5tm.com/
Terry_VK5TM is offline  
Old 1st Oct 2020, 2:03 pm   #4
Refugee
Dekatron
 
Refugee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Worksop, Nottinghamshire, UK.
Posts: 5,554
Default Re: Epoxied transistor removal, non destructive.

I would carefully grind the epoxy down just enough to gain thermal access to the component leads and then add enough solder to melt all three joints so that the component can be lifted.
Then you can suck out the solder and chip the epoxy away enough to allow the component to be soldered back in again. You should end up with three holes in the blob of epoxy.
Refugee is offline  
Old 1st Oct 2020, 3:08 pm   #5
kalee20
Dekatron
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Lynton, N. Devon, UK.
Posts: 7,088
Default Re: Epoxied transistor removal, non destructive.

Agree with Refugee, the thermal way is the way to do it.

Epoxy sticks with a very strong bond, but it weakens a lot with temperature. The loss of strength is reversible, so it's no good heating, allowing to cool, and attacking, as the former strength will be regained. You have to do all the removal while it's hot.
kalee20 is offline  
Old 1st Oct 2020, 3:10 pm   #6
Radio Wrangler
Moderator
 
Radio Wrangler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Fife, Scotland, UK.
Posts: 22,902
Default Re: Epoxied transistor removal, non destructive.

Levering up will likely pull the pad off the board. Not a problem if the board is scrap and it's the transistor you want.

David
__________________
Can't afford the volcanic island yet, but the plans for my monorail and the goons' uniforms are done
Radio Wrangler is online now  
Old 1st Oct 2020, 3:43 pm   #7
Craig Sawyers
Dekatron
 
Craig Sawyers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Oxford, UK.
Posts: 4,993
Default Re: Epoxied transistor removal, non destructive.

This is something called Staking Compound, often but not always epoxy based. Generally used in aerospace applications where mechanical vibration can compromise the solder joint or the components themselves.

It is odd to see it in a commercial application. But it is intended to be tough, and stick like ordure to the proverbial blanket.

You will probably need to mechanically abrade it down to the solder joints.

Craig
Craig Sawyers is offline  
Old 1st Oct 2020, 5:54 pm   #8
Tyso_Bl
Hexode
 
Tyso_Bl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Magor, Monmouthshire, Wales, UK.
Posts: 436
Default Re: Epoxied transistor removal, non destructive.

OK then, thanks for the advices, got some burrs, and a dremel type thing, will have a go... nothing to lose, have googled for something that might soften or dissolve whatever it is but no luck with anything available here, need to repair the board as a transistor has failed.

T
__________________
Adapt, Improvise, Oh Bother.....
Tyso_Bl is offline  
Old 1st Oct 2020, 6:15 pm   #9
Guest
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Epoxied transistor removal, non destructive.

Is it for leakage reduction? If so better put some back on afterwards.
 
Old 1st Oct 2020, 7:02 pm   #10
Bazz4CQJ
Dekatron
 
Bazz4CQJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Oxfordshire, UK.
Posts: 4,935
Default Re: Epoxied transistor removal, non destructive.

It doesn't look as though anything is being glued together there, and whatever it is flowed smoothly in to quite a thin layer. May be not epoxy, but perhaps something more like varnish? Is there any reason to put down extra insulation/protection from the elements at those places? If the transistors run hot, maybe the PCB track was more prone 'deteriorate'?

In any event, mechanical removal with a burr is probably the best way to go.
Varnish might dissolve with acetone, but putting acetone on an in-service PCB sounds a bit risky.

B
__________________
Saturn V had 6 million pounds of fuel. It would take thirty thousand strong men to lift it an inch.

Last edited by Bazz4CQJ; 1st Oct 2020 at 7:08 pm.
Bazz4CQJ is offline  
Old 1st Oct 2020, 7:15 pm   #11
Tyso_Bl
Hexode
 
Tyso_Bl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Magor, Monmouthshire, Wales, UK.
Posts: 436
Default Re: Epoxied transistor removal, non destructive.

The glue is to stop the trannys breaking away with the print , they are attached to a large heatsink on the other side of the board which is not supported in any other way.

T
__________________
Adapt, Improvise, Oh Bother.....
Tyso_Bl is offline  
Closed Thread




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 2:05 am.


All information and advice on this forum is subject to the WARNING AND DISCLAIMER located at https://www.vintage-radio.net/rules.html.
Failure to heed this warning may result in death or serious injury to yourself and/or others.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2002 - 2023, Paul Stenning.