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13th Apr 2020, 1:52 pm | #101 | |
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13th Apr 2020, 2:14 pm | #102 |
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Thanks for the correction Ted. I got my Parkers mixed up despite having looked up Robert. As you say, Charles was the famous BBC Documentary pioneer ["Shoals of Herring"-Ewan Macoll and all that]. Your extra information, personal contact and professional approval is very welcome.
That explanation re the Beatles Collection make sense Barretter, I always wondered why? Especially as all the later output [Anthology etc] is so much better. Dave |
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Interestingly John Borwick wrote a 2-page article, "Can they make stereo records from old mono masters?" in the March 1969 issue of Gramophone so it's not a new concern. |
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13th Apr 2020, 3:06 pm | #104 |
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According to his autobiography, George Martin was so appalled at the sound of some of the tracks on the Beatles' "Rock 'n' Roll Music" compilation that he reworked the sound as far as was possible at the time to make a more convincing stereo picture. Snag was, there had been an edict from Saville Row that the tapes were not to be tampered with, so the UK issue was untouched and the modified versions were released by Capitol in the US. I haven't heard them.
Up to the White Album, most of the production effort as far as mixing was concerned went into the mono release, the stereo mixes being made to correspond with the mono apart from width - in theory. The most obvious difference between mono and stereo versions occurs on "Helter Skelter", where the stereo version fades back in after the fade-out, culminating with the immortal words "I got blisters on my fingers!" Abbey Road and Let It Be were only mixed in stereo, as by then double-inventory had been discontinued. Last edited by Ted Kendall; 13th Apr 2020 at 3:14 pm. |
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14th Apr 2020, 4:49 pm | #106 | |
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If you look at the labels you will see that the UK label has the matrix number XAX2870 whereas the NZ one has YAX2870. In the EMI system X = mono and Y = stereo so it appears that a stereo tape existed. It could be that EMI lost the stereo mastertape before the compilation was made. They lost the two-track tapes of the Beatles first singles so it is not impossible. By the way the World Record compilation is in stereo and I would assume the EMI/Readers Digest box is too. If it were in mono what would be the point of electronically processing the mono-only tracks? |
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14th Apr 2020, 6:32 pm | #107 |
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Curiouser and curiouser said Alice....
I have just checked my set of the World Record club box set and Disc one "Folk Songs with the Seekers" purports to be entirely stereo except track 7 which is "Electronically processed for stereo reproduction. I will have a listen later and see if they are mono or stereo. Peter |
14th Apr 2020, 7:57 pm | #108 |
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My copy of the MFP issue "The Four and only Seekers", which is subtitled "Hide and Seekers" is, as I remember, perfectly decent stereo. The reference to "An FXB production" may indicate that the some of the tapes were leased to EMI - the same concern handled Nina and Frederik, and was eventually absorbed by EMI.
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14th Apr 2020, 7:59 pm | #109 |
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I have just listened to Disc one and indeed all tracks except track 7 are "proper" stereo.
Track 7 is fake stereo and seems to be a simple bass left, treble right split which gives the disconcerting effect of Judith shifting left and right according to what notes she is singing. Peter |
14th Apr 2020, 8:37 pm | #110 |
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It could be that the New Zealand issue is electronic stereo but it's hard to tell at this distance in time particularly as they used the UK sleeve with a "stereo" sticker on the back. The World Record Club label does indeed say that the last track on side 1 of the box set is electronic stereo and that one is from the "World of our own" LP. Still difficult to know why the New Zealanders used that YAX matrix number.
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14th Apr 2020, 8:49 pm | #111 | |
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14th Apr 2020, 9:19 pm | #112 |
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The "high and low pass filter" thing to generate pseudo-stereo from a mono signal-source *does* have its uses: the technique is used by some radio-amateurs when listening to Morse/CW signals - the idea being that you 'centre' the required signal in the pseudo-stereo image, then interfering signals that are higher or lower in frequency appear either 'side' of the wanted signal and - with a bit of experience the brain learns to use the effect for added discrimination.
There are circuits for this (using 741 active-filters) in some 1980s ARRL handbooks. also see http://wq6x.blogspot.com/2018/03/wq6...eo-cw-its.html As to 'augmented stereo' I'm sure we all played around in the 70s by connecting a third speaker between the two +ve outputs of our stereo amplifiers - the 'Hafler method'- to feed a central speaker. |
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My copy of "A world of our own" is Mono. Peter |
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14th Apr 2020, 9:41 pm | #114 | |
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The "Hafler effect" was to provide a rear channel, the centre front channel was simply left plus right. The Hafler effect could be enhanced by using a bucket brigade delay line to add a delay to the rear channel and give a sense that the rear speaker was much further back. I watched star wars with the audio processed in such a system, sounded suprisingly good actually. Peter |
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14th Apr 2020, 10:15 pm | #115 | |
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Mind you, most of the tracks on the Love album have been remixed differently quite deliberately by George Martin and Walrus is no exception especially at the end where it fades into a live track and the radio dialogue is missing.
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14th Apr 2020, 11:36 pm | #116 |
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I just checked my Readers Digest set, and record one is in fact labelled Stereo. Readers Digest use their own numbers so we can't go that way.
Record one which I thought was mono is in fact stereo without any mention of enhancement. Record two has enhanced tracks on it, and is labelled so as per the pictures. I will have to have yet another listen today and will report back. Joe |
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The recordings issued on "A world of our own" were made at Abbey Road in early 1965 so why they only appeared in mono on UK Columbia is a bit of a mystery. The next Columbia LP was in stereo. Pehaps it was a decision made by the owner of FXB, Tom Springfield (brother of Dusty) who wrote several of the Seekers' hits. As far as I can see F.X.B only ever produced recordings by The Seekers and Judith Durham solo, apart from a few singles by one Peppi who was a friend of Tom and Dusty. |
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