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Old 15th Mar 2018, 2:00 am   #1
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Default Unknown, valve/sodium lamp pinout?

Hi forum, would any of you know the pinout for this lamp, which ones are for the heater and which are for the filament? The pins on the valve are offset and not evenly/uniformly spaced if you know what I mean.


I can only find this about it, page 24, Laboratory lamps.

http://www.lamptech.co.uk/Documents/...01960%20UK.pdf

I see that it says 100V.A.C supply, is that for the filament voltage or the heater voltage or both?


The writing on the box says;

GEC Ltd. Patent
Osram
P.D Sodium
SL/D1.3
For A.C. Use
Made In England

Any help would be very much appreciated,
Thank you.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 8:19 am   #2
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Default Re: Unknown, valve/sodium lamp pinout?

I don't know anything about this particular lamp but as it looks like a discharge lamp you may need to run it with a ballast resistor otherwise as soon as it strikes it will pass a very high current and go pop.

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Some details here, unfortunately no pinout, but I suspect it would be standard for most similar lab lamps.
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ISTR using a lamp like this back in the day in a lab for spectroscopic calibration on the sodium D-lines. It came with its own control ballast unit - a transformer I think.

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If it is an ordinary sodium lamp there will only be two connections.
Just use a Megger like a continuity tester.
They need a constant current with a striking voltage equal to what you get when you connect a DVM in parallel to the Megger.
The current needs to be enough to warm up the sodium until you get the yellow glow you want.
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That description says "The lamps have 4-pin caps such that the cathodes may be electrically heated before starting, to enable the lamps to start easily on the 230V mains electricity supply" so I'd expect there to be a heater in there!

And it talks about 1.3 Amps: which at 240V would give a murderously-bright light from something so small, so I suspect the 1.3Amps is the heater.
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If it is pure sodium it will need a heater and a warm-up time before light will be seen.
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A sodium lamp needs a current limited supply (via a choke) and will have an arc voltage of the order of 70 to 150V depending on length of arc. So, say 100V at 1.3A, not an enormous amount for a bulb. They will run (but warm up very slowly) on a lesser current. I would try a 40W florescent lamp fitting.
 
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Open this link and keep scrolling, the pin connections etc are given, including calc. for R:

flickriver-lb-1710691658.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/photos/51699638@N06/sets/72157634373949553/

EDIT: link won't highlight, copy and paste in URL address box.

EDIT again!: Another link:

https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gal...=35&pid=114109

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Sodium lamps intended for street lamps normally include neon gas for the first strike to heat up and vaporise the sodium -hence the initial red glow before the golden sodium light appears.

A laboratory application, which I suspect this lamp is for, would not normally want the 'polluting' neon spectrum and typically uses a hot cathode for vaporisation - hence the extra couple of pins. I found the attached circuit for typical control gear.

I guess that if you explore with a DMM, a couple of the pins will exhibit the resistance of the cathode heater, though the rating remains a puzzle.

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A whole hobby of spectrum lamps, makes us lot look sane (ish!) The values stated lead to 70W, I was in the right ball park.
 
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As far as I know the starting gas is a Penning mixture of Argon and Neon, this has the lowest striking voltage, rather clever. And once the sodium has started the voltage isn't enough to light the Argon/Neon, you need the gas to get the Sodium hot anyway.

I may seem very knowledgeable, but a few weeks ago I found a book "Electric Lamps" from 1955 in a second hand book shop, this one (the shop) http://cottagebookshop.co.uk/ if you are in the area well worth a look. The shop has featured in a couple of "Midsommer Murders" too.
 
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Yes, a laboratory sodium lamp for sure. We used them at tech back in the day (1961 ish) I recall one experiment was to use fraunhoffer diffraction to calculate the diameter of lycapodium * (sp) pollen, which I seem to recall was around 26 (nm or angstroms?) - you do forget some things, but I could go out to the 'bike shed and find my notes for certain. Obviously mad!
* (Lycapodium was very uniform in size, so ideal to give us something to aim for.)
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