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dave walsh · 13th Feb 2020, 11:33 am

I missed that NY Times report Martin. Thanks for the link. Methinks U Studios seems to protest too much-as Shakespeare puts it! If anybody is putting a "Spin" on this story it doesn't seem to be the NYT

There is something in the argument that good transfers exist...but not that much. It's a bit like destroying a statue or painting and saying, well there are copies around! What are the constraints referred to I wonder

Dave.

The Guardian has reported the loss of an F278 Fazioli piano treasured by the Canadian pianist Angela Hewitt ["Virtuoso in mourning as unique piano is destroyed" Wednesday 12/2/20]. "The only piano of that model fitted with four pedals" it was dropped after being used for Beethoven recordings at a Berlin Studio. The iron frame shattered and the force combined with high tension in the strings, split the lid in two

Paolo Faziolli said it was "like losing a limb" for the owner!

Radio Wrangler · 13th Feb 2020, 11:59 am

And we thought we had problems with couriers....

David

John10b · 13th Feb 2020, 12:12 pm

If I was viewing a 1950/60 Film Musical in the Cinema would that sound track be the original Analogue recording, would today’s Cinema be capable of producing Analogue?
John

GrimJosef · 13th Feb 2020, 12:25 pm

That would depend on which cinema you were in. If it was your local multi-screen then it would likely be all-digital. But the British Film Institute still can, and do, project film with the soundtrack down the side I believe.

Cheers,

GJ

Refugee · 13th Feb 2020, 2:25 pm

I would expect the projectors to be movable in cinemas.
They just need to keep a couple of each format in the store room and swap them over as needed.

Richard_FM · 13th Feb 2020, 2:41 pm

I remember when the warehouse Saatchi art collection burnt down a few years ago quite a few people lamented the loss of irreplaceable works, even though it was all well catalogued.

One artist explained in an article on the fire that every painting is unique, & trying to re-paint one from a good quality photo would never have the same result.

dave walsh · 13th Feb 2020, 3:19 pm

Yes Richard. It's all about time. A photograph captures the moment. A painting can combine lots of different moments, times and emotions in the one space. that's why Dylan paints.... along with writing a song now and again

Good one David

It was a specialist removal firm as you would expect. First time in 35 years they claimed. Dylan recalls that he"froze right to the bone" [in Talking New York Blues] and the NYT saying it was the "coldest winter in 17 years". Sarcastically, he says..... "I didn't feel so bad then!"
Mr Faziolli seemed surprisingly sanguine about what he described as an "accident" to his creation but said he wouldn't be doing another four pedal version as it was a pain in the rear to produce!

Dave

PaulR · 14th Feb 2020, 10:41 am

I buy new vinyl fairly regularly but I have to admit that I cannot tell the difference in sound quality between vinyl and a CD.

Whether the vinyl has been digitally or analogue(lly?) recorded doesn't bother me. I like the process of playing vinyl, the look of the tone arm slowly tracking across the record surface, the care you have to take of the record itself, the infinite tweaking of the cartridge to get the tracking minutely better and generally the effort required. It must be a "man thing" as my wife cannot appreciate it at all. CDs sound good and are much more convenient so why bother with vinyl? I will be very sad if the fire restricts the supply of new records but I am sure that others will step in or the plant will be restored if there is money in it.

electronicskip · 14th Feb 2020, 11:28 am

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Originally Posted by jamesperrett

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Originally Posted by Nuvistor

The local HMV shop have quite a lot of records, I have not looked closely but seem to be releases of 70/80’s material, perhaps I didn’t look close enough and there are later ones.

There are plenty of new vinyl releases but many of them are fairly small scale and will probably only be available in the independent record stores rather than chains like HMV.

This fire could well impact financially on the smaller INDIE vinyl sellers if supply is limited, plus HMV has invested a lot of floorspace recently to Vinyl records as part of the new owners master plan to revive the companies fortunes.

Nuvistor · 14th Feb 2020, 11:30 am

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Originally Posted by PaulR

my wife cannot appreciate it at all. CDs sound good and are much more convenient so why bother

I don’t see the point either but I am sure there are things I do that others don’t see the point of.
Great to have variety.

13th Feb 2020, 11:33 am	#41
dave walsh Dekatron Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ramsbottom (Nr Bury) Lancs or Bexhill (Nr Hastings) Sussex. Posts: 5,817	Re: Fire at lacquer plant threatens vinyl record production I missed that NY Times report Martin. Thanks for the link. Methinks U Studios seems to protest too much-as Shakespeare puts it! If anybody is putting a "Spin" on this story it doesn't seem to be the NYT There is something in the argument that good transfers exist...but not that much. It's a bit like destroying a statue or painting and saying, well there are copies around! What are the constraints referred to I wonder Dave. The Guardian has reported the loss of an F278 Fazioli piano treasured by the Canadian pianist Angela Hewitt ["Virtuoso in mourning as unique piano is destroyed" Wednesday 12/2/20]. "The only piano of that model fitted with four pedals" it was dropped after being used for Beethoven recordings at a Berlin Studio. The iron frame shattered and the force combined with high tension in the strings, split the lid in two Paolo Faziolli said it was "like losing a limb" for the owner!

13th Feb 2020, 11:59 am	#42
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13th Feb 2020, 12:12 pm	#43
John10b Nonode Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Aberaeron, Ceredigion, Wales, UK. Posts: 2,884	Re: Fire at lacquer plant threatens vinyl record production If I was viewing a 1950/60 Film Musical in the Cinema would that sound track be the original Analogue recording, would today’s Cinema be capable of producing Analogue? John

13th Feb 2020, 12:25 pm	#44
GrimJosef Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oxfordshire, UK. Posts: 4,311	Re: Fire at lacquer plant threatens vinyl record production That would depend on which cinema you were in. If it was your local multi-screen then it would likely be all-digital. But the British Film Institute still can, and do, project film with the soundtrack down the side I believe. Cheers, GJ __________________ http://www.ampregen.com

13th Feb 2020, 2:25 pm	#45
Refugee Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Worksop, Nottinghamshire, UK. Posts: 5,553	Re: Fire at lacquer plant threatens vinyl record production I would expect the projectors to be movable in cinemas. They just need to keep a couple of each format in the store room and swap them over as needed.

13th Feb 2020, 2:41 pm	#46
Richard_FM Nonode Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Stockport, Cheshire, UK. Posts: 2,002	Re: Fire at lacquer plant threatens vinyl record production I remember when the warehouse Saatchi art collection burnt down a few years ago quite a few people lamented the loss of irreplaceable works, even though it was all well catalogued. One artist explained in an article on the fire that every painting is unique, & trying to re-paint one from a good quality photo would never have the same result. __________________ Hello IT: Have you Tried Turning It Off & On Again?

13th Feb 2020, 3:19 pm	#47
dave walsh Dekatron Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ramsbottom (Nr Bury) Lancs or Bexhill (Nr Hastings) Sussex. Posts: 5,817	Re: Fire at lacquer plant threatens vinyl record production Yes Richard. It's all about time. A photograph captures the moment. A painting can combine lots of different moments, times and emotions in the one space. that's why Dylan paints.... along with writing a song now and again Good one David It was a specialist removal firm as you would expect. First time in 35 years they claimed. Dylan recalls that he"froze right to the bone" [in Talking New York Blues] and the NYT saying it was the "coldest winter in 17 years". Sarcastically, he says..... "I didn't feel so bad then!" Mr Faziolli seemed surprisingly sanguine about what he described as an "accident" to his creation but said he wouldn't be doing another four pedal version as it was a pain in the rear to produce! Dave Last edited by dave walsh; 13th Feb 2020 at 3:29 pm.

14th Feb 2020, 10:41 am	#48
PaulR Dekatron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southport Lancashire, UK. Posts: 3,233	Re: Fire at lacquer plant threatens vinyl record production I buy new vinyl fairly regularly but I have to admit that I cannot tell the difference in sound quality between vinyl and a CD. Whether the vinyl has been digitally or analogue(lly?) recorded doesn't bother me. I like the process of playing vinyl, the look of the tone arm slowly tracking across the record surface, the care you have to take of the record itself, the infinite tweaking of the cartridge to get the tracking minutely better and generally the effort required. It must be a "man thing" as my wife cannot appreciate it at all. CDs sound good and are much more convenient so why bother with vinyl? I will be very sad if the fire restricts the supply of new records but I am sure that others will step in or the plant will be restored if there is money in it. __________________ Paul