|
Vintage Radio (domestic) Domestic vintage radio (wireless) receivers only. |
|
Thread Tools |
21st Feb 2021, 4:37 pm | #1 |
Pentode
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, UK.
Posts: 226
|
Bush TR106GL
Hi there, When I was a spotty teenager back in the sixties, I had a bush TR116 that I had great fun with. Unfortunately, I left my radio at my parents home after I left to go into big wide world and it got damaged and thrown away. For some time now, I have been been looking for out for a TR116 to add to my small collection of sixties transistor radios. Last week I found a TR106GL which has a similar look, but without short wave. The radio was complete, but filthy. A strip down and good clean had it looking great except for slight yellowing of the plastic. Now, this is where I need a little help. The radio basically works , but is somewhat unstable with distorted audio on strong signals. I get the impression that the problem is with the IF stage because SLIGHT adjustment to the IF transformers do effect the audio. Can anyone point me in direction of a circuit diagram please or give me any pointers. I have a DMM and scope for test gear but not a signal generator. Thanks - Dave
|
21st Feb 2021, 4:43 pm | #2 |
Rest in Peace
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Basildon, Essex, UK.
Posts: 4,100
|
Re: Bush TR106GL
Some of the modern AM broadcasts these days do sound a little distorted on some radios.
But I would check out the caps on the AGC line, C30 & C8 & R2 (trader) and the electrolytics on the audio power supply and the RF/IF power supply. C24 & C39 Mike Last edited by crackle; 21st Feb 2021 at 4:53 pm. |
21st Feb 2021, 4:52 pm | #3 |
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Exeter, Devon and Poole, Dorset UK.
Posts: 6,823
|
Re: Bush TR106GL
Hi Dave
The circuit info is available top right (or follow the links below) for both the Bush TR106 and the TR116 TR106: https://www.service-data.com/product...49/1081/m10649 TR116: https://www.service-data.com/product...52/1084/m10652 Cheers Mike T
__________________
Invisible airwaves crackle with life or at least they used to Mike T BVWS member. www.cossor.co.uk |
21st Feb 2021, 6:33 pm | #4 |
Pentode
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, UK.
Posts: 226
|
Re: Bush TR106GL
Thanks Mike, I've down loaded it. Just got to do the fault finding now. Dave
|
23rd Feb 2021, 12:17 pm | #5 |
Pentode
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, UK.
Posts: 226
|
Re: Bush TR106GL
Hi folks, well, I’m embarrassed to say I’m stuck on this one and could do with pointing in the right direction. The radio ‘works’ but the agc doesn’t seem to be doing its job properly. When a station is tuned in I get clipping like distortion on the audio and a scope on the collector of VT3 shows a clipped IF waveform of about 7volts p-p (full supply voltage) . Tune to one side of the carrier and the IF amplitude reduces and I get un-distorted audio. All the transistor voltages are about right (within 0.2 volt). C8 and C9 are both fine, I did find R5 was high at 140k but changing that made no difference. There is about a 1.5 volt change on C9, the agc smoothing capacitor and R10 is about right. Any advice welcome. Dave
|
24th Feb 2021, 12:21 am | #6 |
Octode
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Guildford, Surrey, UK.
Posts: 1,958
|
Re: Bush TR106GL
Diode CD1 is supposed to damp the primary of IFT1 for very strong signals. Have you checked CD1 and associated components?
Ron |
24th Feb 2021, 10:03 am | #7 |
Pentode
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, UK.
Posts: 226
|
Re: Bush TR106GL
Hi Ron, thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I've checked the diode, it's series resistor and the capacitor - all fine. I've checked and replaced some R's that have gone high value - with no improvement. The manual suggests connecting a 8.2k R across C9 to reduce the sensitivity for alignment, and that seems to make the radio work Ok. The local oscillator waveform is not a good sine wave - is that a problem? - Dave
|
24th Feb 2021, 10:38 am | #8 |
Octode
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Guildford, Surrey, UK.
Posts: 1,958
|
Re: Bush TR106GL
As the 5k volume control is part of VT2 base bias network, has this gone up in value significantly?
I have always thought that a distorted oscillator waveform is more likely to generate spurious responses to out of band signals, rather than increase sensitivity. Higher than designed oscillator amplitude may improve the conversion gain of the mixer I suppose. Ron |
24th Feb 2021, 1:28 pm | #9 |
Pentode
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, UK.
Posts: 226
|
Re: Bush TR106GL
We are getting desperate now. No, the volume control is Ok. I think I'm just going to leave it with reduced sensitivity - it's working Ok and it looks good. I do feel I should carry on but I've already spent FAR more time on this than I should have. What has surprised me is that I have no leakage in any of the three AF117s (shield to EBC), but I guess, 'don't look a gift horse' eh. Thanks for your help. - Dave
|
24th Feb 2021, 3:43 pm | #10 |
Dekatron
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Cornwall, UK.
Posts: 13,454
|
Re: Bush TR106GL
What's the voltage across C8 when the signal is overloading?
Lawrence. |
24th Feb 2021, 4:48 pm | #11 |
Pentode
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, UK.
Posts: 226
|
Re: Bush TR106GL
With normal, non overloaded signal and the 8.2K resistor disconnected the voltage across C8 is 6.8v. Overloaded the voltage drops to 5.5v - Thanks for your interest - Dave
|