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1st Mar 2018, 2:25 pm | #181 |
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Re: Maplin stores
Whenever a shop closes the usual pundits pop up and say 'online sales have done this'. There is of course an element of truth in this, but in some cases it is not that people prefer to buy online but that they have found it impossible to buy on the High Street. Lots of items which we know are made are either not stocked or poorly stocked in shops, and in most cases nowadays you cannot get any useful advice in a shop. I would like to look and feel something in a shop, weigh up whether it will do the job I have in mind, and ask the shopkeeper what he knows about it (beyond merely reading the sales tag - which is what happened in PC World). Maybe someone should re-open some Maplins, but run like John Lewis rather than Woolworths?
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1st Mar 2018, 3:40 pm | #182 |
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Odd how things go round. I first used Maplin in the Seventies, and can almost remember my account number! Mail order of course and they were an excellent go-to place for all the bits and pieces a teenage hobbyist could need. Plus all sorts of useful projects - burglar alarms, audio mixers and a useful peak meter I used in audio recording. Then came the shops and their identity crisis. And they are closing because people are buying things on the internet - today's equivalent of mail order!
I've used them recently when doing a job and it didn't matter whether the connector I needed was 5p or £5 - it got the job done. I imagine the internet arm of Maplin will keep going - recently had a couple of toroidal transformers from them at a competitive price. Glyn |
1st Mar 2018, 4:37 pm | #183 |
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Four off-topic posts about 'scope probes deleted. Feel free to start a new thread in the test equipment section to discuss these.
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1st Mar 2018, 4:51 pm | #184 |
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If the internet arm of Maplin is to keep going it will need a new website. Other retailers can be almost as bad, so google is the best way to navigate their site. Why is it that on many sites 1k and 1k2 resistors are separate pages, rather than a menu selection on one page? It suggests they bought a cheap off-the-shelf retail website package where every item is assumed to be unrelated to any other item. Simple for the computer programmer to bash out some SQL, but bad for the poor customer.
My next gripe is why I should have to search carefully through datasheets to discover how this capacitor at 50p differs from that capacitor at 45p (same dielectric, same ratings, similar construction, in some cases same maker). Why doesn't the catalogue tell me, at least in outline? This is not entirely off-topic, as retailer survival depends on things like this. |
1st Mar 2018, 5:08 pm | #185 |
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I do miss the Maplin of old, and I miss what the shops could have been. As a schoolboy in the 1980s, the release of each year's new Maplin catalogue was eagerly awaited. They went to great lengths to make mail order easy and reliable, with standardised order codes and order forms, so there was little chance of error. They were quick, too. Maplin was basically the best and most affordable way for us to get good quality components. We patronised the local electronics shop too (which, as I write, is still in business) but for a different selection of parts.
I remember making special trips to Maplin shops, in such exotic locations as Southampton and Edgware, and the excitement of being able to see and handle all these things which had hitherto only been grainy pictures in the catalogue. I remember buying my first white LEDs some time in the mid-90s, for about £5 each. That led to me, some years later, starting a business making bike lights. Now the 'maker' world of hobby electronics is bigger than it ever was in the 1980s. Maplin should probably have been what Adafruit and its peers are now. My last trips to Maplin shops have been disappointing. I don't mind paying a premium for goods I can have in my hand right now. But I wanted a particular USB hub. The going rate on line is a few pounds. I'd have happily paid £15. But £30? On this occasion, I found a way of doing without. It wasn't worth the money - and this was an urgent business purchase. Hopefully any new owner will see the opportunity the Maplin brand presents. Lots of the shop locations are probably too expensive to run, but the market the company used to serve 30 years ago is still there, in a newer form. I'd love it to be the place my children will turn to for Micro:bits, BeagleBones, robotics parts, and all the accessories that go with them. But perhaps I'm just being nostalgic. Chris
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1st Mar 2018, 5:16 pm | #186 |
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If Jessops can be reborn as it has been ,then so can Maplins.
I truly believe there is still a place for them on the high street ,not just as a faceless internet site. |
1st Mar 2018, 6:42 pm | #187 |
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Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you look at it, for many reasons it's much cheaper to sell stuff on line. A couple of years ago we needed a new dishwasher. There was a shop, part of a chain, around the corner that I had bought stuff from for many years. In the meantime the chain had a website and so I looked online to see what was available. I wanted to support the shop so I found what we were looking for on the website, printed out the relevant page and then went to the shop to order the dishwasher. For the shop, the quoted price was the wholesale price. They expected me to pay a few hundred pounds more. The result was that I bought online. In the meantime the shop has disappeared.
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1st Mar 2018, 6:59 pm | #188 | |
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I wanted to trade order a 5GHz point to point link... the margin on £350 was £2 and then they wanted to charge me 2.5% for the card fees as it wasn't a retail sale. I really only keep my shop open as a High St office and roadside advert. If I relied on sales I would have gone pop years ago as all my competitors have. |
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1st Mar 2018, 7:24 pm | #189 |
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As Dave says above a lot of web-sites are poor. I see that CPC have had a revamp making things a simple as resistors difficult to find. I find the search function on Amazon next-to-useless and you'd really expect better from a purely internet company.
I remember the old Maplin's fondly but even then they were expensive on finished goods. When 5¼" floppies were easily available for a pound each, and you could get them for ten bob with a bit of effort, Maplin's were charging £30 for ten. |
1st Mar 2018, 10:35 pm | #190 |
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I rather suspect that the website issue is due to the use of a popular software application, which had better remain nameless, which I have the misfortune to use at work. It's very widely used, I believe, by online retailers, including at least one of the best-known, and can be blamed for the 'you may also be interested in [something entirely unrelated]' messages, amongst many other things. It's the most illogical and unintiuitive thing that could ever be devised, not least because the UK version has a number of modules, each of which was translated from German by a different team, and uses different terms for the same items. An absolute abomination IMHO!
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1st Mar 2018, 10:38 pm | #191 |
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Lately, HMRC have been making noises about how (mostly) Chinese online sellers holding stock in UK are evading vat, and maybe other taxes??
It is also claimed that genuine UK business is unable to compete. I suspect this is true for quite a few of them. Sooner or later there should be a clampdown on the exploitation of our import and tax avoidance. It will make it dearer for you and I, and millions of others, but should help our own genuine UK business to survive on a level playing field. I will not elaborate further, so as to avoid any breach of forum rules regarding politics. In a way, such enforcement might just possibly have helped Maplin survive. On a slightly different angle, it amazes me how I bought 2 weller type sponges from China for less than 40p delivered direct from China in 3 weeks or so. Unfair trade and postal subsidies is all I think is the reason. I realise also that I am part of the problem by buying them! Again, Maplin would never have been able to compete. Maplin is the victim of these unfair imports unfortunately. Rob
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2nd Mar 2018, 12:17 am | #192 |
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I think I said this already, but shops are handy compared to mail order. I quite often place orders at Farnell. I have to browse around and find everything, which can be inconvenient as I work in a call centre and inconsiderate people keep ringing me up and expecting me to answer their questions while I'm trying to sort out which microcontroller or tactile swith I want to order.
More seriously, I have to place minimum orders to avoid handling charges, and then I have to wait. Next day doesn't happen from Friday to Sunday (3/7 of the week). If I just want one part for a project, a day waiting is a day lost. Since as a working person the realisation I want such a part usually occurs on a day off when I have time for work on a project, it means I'm basically waiting until my next day off to get on with it. So it means from the moment of desire to acquire to completion isn't an hour or a day, it's a week. Or I can pop down to a Maplin shop and only lose an hour in doing so. I may be a rare fish, but I'd happily buy more stock there if they stocked more than one or two or anything (I have a running gag with the staff of saying, "Damn it, I'll take your entire stock!"). So there's the thing, I sadly often don't bother checking Maplin because I want 3 or more of something so I'm going to have to order it anyway. Every now and again I muse whether there is a sustainable business model for an electronic components store. Most times I end up with a model where you're basically selling something else to keep afloat, which makes the electronic components part kind of pointless. It did occur to me that there is a similar issue for sewing and knitting supplies; to be worth visiting your shop needs a very wide range of rather low value objects for sale, most of which shift in small volumes. Maybe a shop that sells wool and operational amplifiers is the answer. |
2nd Mar 2018, 1:30 am | #193 |
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I think Ian has put a finger on another reason the high street has/is falling apart - time.
It seems that people are spending far more time at work just to make a living and don't have the time to get out to the shops like they used too. Add to that all the other distractions of modern life and something has to give, usually discretionary spending in the what I call "non-essential" shopping. We have got to the point that all our fruit and veggies are now delivered by courier (even way out here in the middle of nowhere) and only go to a physical shop for other grocery/essential items maybe once every 3 months. We do have a local store for emergency purchases, but he is struggling to stay afloat. To show how upside down this all is, the wife can purchase knitting wool from an online UK business and have it delivered for less than half the price of walking into store here in Australia to purchase it. As I have mentioned before, just about all of my electronics component/gadget purchases are made online now, whether it be from the likes of RS or cheap Chinese suppliers. |
2nd Mar 2018, 1:34 am | #194 | |
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Maplin price for the item is circa £1.5. Carriage = £2.99. Total = £4.49, and comes after a delay. I could buy it at RS ( LOCAL DEPOT), where I buy on line and collect tomorrow, but it's dearer. Argos & other stores have this sorted. It's called "click & collect". Buy on line, and item is sent to store of choice at no extra cost. |
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2nd Mar 2018, 2:38 am | #195 |
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Argos are now doing same day deliveries, a few weeks ago I ordered a kettle at about 4pm and it arrived at about 7pm, which felt absolutely glorious. I'm certainly happy to pay a carriage fee (it was £3.95 I think). But the problem for electronics parts comes back to the breadth of stock you need to carry; although Maplin these days seem to have pared this down to an absurd level. The fellow in the shop opens a little drawer and their entire stock- one IC- is rattling about in there.
That latter thing I do find baffling. It's not as if 4000 CMOS chips or transistors rot after a few days. You'd think they could have at least, I dunno, ten or something. |
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2nd Mar 2018, 9:38 am | #197 |
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This lack of stock was something that changed many years ago.
The bean-counters at Sony realised that to have multiple stock locations was costly. With perhaps 10 locations within Europe, each having 10 each of an item available for 'local' delivery means 100 items in stock all the same. Locate 20 items at one location and express mail them out, with a carriage charge, is cheaper for the company. That's why Sony spares stopped in the UK and other countries and all the parts came from Germany, and that was back in the 1980's. |
2nd Mar 2018, 9:47 am | #198 |
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Keysight are the same. Needed a knob for my (HP) power supply. Phoned U.K. office and got invoiced for two entire quid. Next thing someone in Spain phones me to take payment. Then it took two weeks to turn up.
Apparently centralisation is the way to go. I sure hope fuel doesn’t increase in prices suddenly.... |
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With so many shops to service, if they carried stocks of components in any depth, they're have more in their shops than in the warehouse. At one stage they had what they called 'Mondo' stores in large cities such as Nottingham, where they carried the full inventory in depth. I think they did the right thing to 'trade up' to try to raise the 'average purchase value'. As an example, they sold 10,000 drones last year. Where I think they went wrong is to not rationalise their inventory. They clung on to Doug Simmons original concept of selling electronic components, ignoring the 80/20 principle - that 80% of their turnover will be from 20% of the inventory. They'd have been better ditching all the stuff that we - as a tiny and reducing minority - are interested in: all the low value, low turnover electronic stuff - semiconductors, resistors, caps, fuses, transformers, enclosures, pots, plugs and sockets and so forth. It's clear from this thread that for all their efforts, all that they've got is a customer base for this flotsam and jetsum, that is dissatisfied and is looking elsewhere. If it does survive, a new owner will be very selective in only being prepared to cherry pick those stores - maybe 25 at most, that are profitable, and possibly retain an internet presence. Of course, they've got quite a business in the Far East too, which handle more than 500 suppliers and 5,000 buying items for the parent company. The major product categories include cables, power supplies, electronics components, kits and tools, communication equipment, computers, toys, automotive electronics, and consumer electronics. They don't need any shops to stay in business under a new buyer. Amazon doesn't have any shops and ASOS doesn't have any shops but are doing nicely thank you. Remember Staples - the office equipment suppliers? They use to have large stores in most larger towns and cities. Maybe few have noticed that they're not around any more. Staples haven't gone bust -they've gone online. In November 2016, Staples stores were purchased by Hilco Capital and are now under new ownership. 'Office Outlet' is now operating as a separate business to Staples UK Limited, which includes Staples Online website and telephone order line, and Staples Advantage. In Hull, the first thing that Office Outlet did was to close the large Staples store in the town (ironically, next door to Maplin!), and to move to a site on the inner ring road next to the likes of Halfords, PC World, The Range. It's not helped that Maplin has changed ownership several times, which is disruptive and doesn't help in planning a long term strategy that works. Basically, I think it's gone down the gurgler. Sadly, I think before too long, 'Maplin' will only be spoken of when prefaced with 'Do you remember... BHS, Tandy, Toys R Us, Woolworths, Blockbuster, Our Price, C&A, Wimpy, John Menzies, Rumbelows, Happy Eater, Lyons Tea House, Timothy Whites were all once household names. (A few Jessop's shops have ben resurrected).
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Many years ago in my mis-spent youth I frequented a bar where the new owner came up with a similar idea. There were times when he had negligible turnover so he decided not to open then. But then he had negligible turnover at other times. In the end his opening hours were so short that he had no turnover at all and went broke.
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