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Old 10th Aug 2023, 6:07 pm   #1
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Default Bush Type TV 105 D

1st Post. I hope i am posting Korrectly.

My other halves Grandmutti Past Recently aged 103.
Left behind loads and loads of old things and stuff. (it is a beautiful and awesome rummage through the museum that was her house. [Ireland] )

what i am looking to ask about is the value of a TV from the 1950's (i think)

Bush Radio
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Type TV 105 D
for use with
200 - 250 AC.50~
220 - 250 V. DC.
180 WATTS

I have searched over google and found Nothing. the only post i found was for a 105R. is there some kind of Valuation tutorial or centre that i can be pointed towards for figure this all out.

Regards MFG

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Old 10th Aug 2023, 7:11 pm   #2
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Default Re: Bush Type TV 105 D

Hi Matt, sadly I think not a lot. It is not one of the classic early Bush sets such as the TV22/ 24 etc
I'm not sure what thw D or R suffixes stand for but it may be the region it was designed for.
I believe it was from the 60's and may be useful for spares; please don't connect to a power supply until it has been checked by a competent person. I doubt if it will receive much these days without the use of a standard converter.
Can you post a picture of the set?

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Old 10th Aug 2023, 7:37 pm   #3
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I can post some pictures of it. I fell in love with it already it looks (to me) awesome.

no i definitely will not be plugging it in we are in Germany and I couldn't trust what would happen. I was told that the last time it was plugged in to a Steckdose it worked but that could have been in the mid or late 90's.
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Old 10th Aug 2023, 8:34 pm   #4
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Default Re: Bush Type TV 105 D

The Bush TV105D is mentioned in the 1962/63 radio and Television book. The
The Bush TV105D is almost identical to the model TV105, the only difference being the addition of a tone tone control and a modified vision IF transformer to give a slightly different response.
405 only receiver with no provision for dual standard operation, although I believe some sets were converted at great expense.
Information can be found in the 1961/62 Radio and Television servicing book.
More comprehensive service information from the Forum Vintage Radio & TV Service Data.
These sets can give very good 405 line pictures.

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Old 10th Aug 2023, 8:42 pm   #5
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Default Re: Bush Type TV 105 D

As Bush had an Irish factory in Dublin, it's possible the TV was made there, rather than in their Plymouth factory.
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Old 10th Aug 2023, 9:34 pm   #6
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Default Re: Bush Type TV 105 D

Close-up of the front control panel.
Is that a 405-625 system switch or is it the tone control buttons?
The set might well be a made for Ireland receiver where 625 line system I transmissions started in 1962.
The presence of system switches will confirm this.

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Old 10th Aug 2023, 9:46 pm   #7
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Early Plymouth made Bush TV105 sets, according to their contemporary sales leaflet, didn't have these 405/625 pushbuttons. Later production did

Bush made two types of 405/625 conversion kits for the TV105. The early production had a side mounted 405/625 switch (at the rear) in the kit and the later production, a front mounted 405/625 switch, which replaced the factory fitted pushbuttons that didn't actually do anything.

The conversion kit included a new 405/625 line output transformer, prewired to a 405/625 line timebase changeover slider type switch and a replacement 405/625 IF unit, plus a rotary type UHF tuner unit.
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This is indeed an Irish set, I have one here waiting it's turn on the bench.
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Old 10th Aug 2023, 10:44 pm   #9
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So with all this being said.

what are the options in terms of repairing, selling or donating.
i would love to give it a bash at trying to repair it but i dont think the german outlets would like it very much. even just pulling it down and cleaning it up for a bit of a show piece in a museum.

again any advice on this piece would be amazing. thank you all so much.
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Old 12th Aug 2023, 11:02 am   #10
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Hi Matt

Whilst the television must have great sentimental value, getting the set to work again is not that easy. You will need to read circuit diagrams, have spare parts, test equipment and a great deal of luck.

On top of that, the TV system used when this set was made in the UK dates back to 1936 and is no longer used. When repaired, switching the set on without a special adapter, which costs almost £200, no sound or picture can be shown.

Another issue is the poor condition of the cabinet. Should you wish to make the TV a statement of how sets looked I would leave the insides alone and make the TV cabinet look new.

Best of luck

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Old 12th Aug 2023, 1:48 pm   #11
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It certainly has potential to be a nice set. Value wise from what I have paid for similar sets and from what I have seen on auction sites I would value it at anything from £30 to maybe £50 on a good day?

If you sell to a collector it has a better chance of surviving as most collectors would restore it but sets are sometime broken for parts so nothing is guaranteed. Selling on an online auction or a local sale may possibly return a better price depending on the day but then you run the risk of it being 'upcycled' which IMHO would be a shame as it has survived so far.

To refurb the cabinet to a good standard will depend on your skills. same applies to restoring it to working order. It will need at least the wax capacitors changing and it would be a good idea to dry out the LOPT before running it.

So really it is down to what you want to do with it, keep it as display only, keep it and restore it, sell it for best price or sell it / give it away to a collector that hopefully will preserve it.
Location and the logistics of transporting it will have an effect on interest and thereby value.

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Old 12th Aug 2023, 7:59 pm   #12
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Default Re: Bush Type TV 105 D

This appears to be a dual standard 405/625 line VHF tv - if 625 only is required then a simple, and relatively inexpensive system ‘I’ modulator set to a VHF channel is all that’s needed ie no standards converter etc
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 1:27 pm   #13
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Default Re: Bush Type TV 105 D

Back in the 1970’s I had quite a few of the 405 line only version of these sets for a few pence from the local “junk” auction in Louth, Lincolnshire. Back then they always seemed to exhibit the same fault, an open circuit dropper resistor. I used to fit polo resistors as needed & off you go. They were otherwise quite reliable back then for 15 year old sets. They also used to produce a pretty good picture and were quite sensitive with weak signals. Would really quite like to find a good clean one now to use on the Aurora.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 2:30 pm   #14
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Default Re: Bush Type TV 105 D

Yes, the Bush TV105 was a well made set with a chassis that used a lot of the circuitry in previous years' models. It had a high gain tuner and IF strip, plus flywheel sync.

Bush (in the UK) also made a rental version - the TV105R, with a cheaper cabinet, direct line sync and a less sensitive IF strip.

The TV115 series was much the same, except the line timebase was 405-625 switchable from the factory, so the full dual standard conversion was simpler (fit a dual standard IF unit and a UHF tuner).
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 9:40 pm   #15
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I am willing to donate this set.

If there is a place for donating please contact me.

I would love to see this set working again.

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Old 15th Aug 2023, 4:51 pm   #16
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I am willing to donate this set.

If there is a place for donating please contact me.

I would love to see this set working again.

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Hi Matt,

I would love the set but I suspect that the logistics of getting it from Germany (or Ireland) to Wales would probably be cost prohibitive.
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 9:14 am   #17
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Hi Matt

What a beautiful looking town you live in, between Berlin and Hamburg it shouts out history, a wide range of tasteful architecture and a prosperous high street.

For a Bush TV collector, a visit to your town via the delights of Amsterdam and the mix of modernity and re-purposed warehouses of Hamburg would make a wonderful holiday.

I have no connection with the travel industry but wish I did!

Good luck with finding a new home for your Grandma's Bush 105D.

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These were really good well built sets and well worth saving.
The UK models were 405 only the Irish ones might well be 405 and 625 as Irish for a time used both 405 and 625 on their VHF TV channels.
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 11:27 am   #19
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It would interesting if John Joe (linescan87) could post a photo of the actual chassis so we can see how dual standard it is (or isn’t).
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Hi Daz,

Unfortunately the set is not accessible at the moment as its buried but if I dig it out I'll have a look.
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