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3rd Oct 2017, 10:53 pm | #21 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A C17 tone Cap question
Change the Cap I shall
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3rd Oct 2017, 10:58 pm | #22 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A C17 tone Cap question
Let us know how you find the change, Mike!
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4th Oct 2017, 12:19 am | #23 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A C17 tone Cap question
Put in the .001 (1nf) for the existing C17 and I can report the sound quality to my ears is a lot brighter not so deep and much improved so well worth doing.
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4th Oct 2017, 12:38 pm | #24 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A C17 tone Cap question
Super!
Changing even more, to 390pF would not make such a big improvement with most broadcast stations, although if you ever use a pantry transmitter with a decent treble response, you'd find a noticeable improvement then! |
4th Oct 2017, 1:14 pm | #25 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A C17 tone Cap question
Yes, often the filtering is far too heavy, but its not the only place in many vintage radios where the filtering gets overdone. By the late 1950's the RC time constant in the AM detector loads in valve radios were typically 100pF and 250k. This allows an upper max frequency response without distortion (and attenuation of high frequencies) of about 10 to 12kHz. Sets from the 1920's are terrible, often a 3meg combined with a 100pF and this gives a very muddy sound in the upper audio register. It is always interesting to look at the values and see how much attention was paid in this area too, but part of it, as you say, is the expectation of "modern ears"
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4th Oct 2017, 1:53 pm | #26 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A C17 tone Cap question
It's ironic that old radios have crummy treble yet transmissions at the time were not curtailed in the AF upper frequency response. Argos's point of detector filtering is dead right - and with 125kHz IF superhets you do need bigger-valued capacitors to reduce IF breakthrough anyway. Whereas post-war, we have better speakers, 470kHz IF as standard, everything we need for a response to 10kHz-plus... and the transmitters chop off at not much more than 4.5kHz!
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4th Oct 2017, 2:01 pm | #27 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A C17 tone Cap question
The 9kHz channel spacing means the IF should be sharp enough not to allow adjacent-channel 9kHz hets though into the AF sections. During the day there are no adjacent stations stations serving the same area, but at night of course that's different - although not as bad as it was years ago as so many stations are leaving medium wave.
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4th Oct 2017, 2:13 pm | #28 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A C17 tone Cap question
I've always thought that the popularity of the woolly 'mellow bellow' sound in the 40s and 50s was a reaction against strong folk memories of acoustic gramophones and horn speakers. This attitude persisted for a long time amongst that generation. An uncle of mine bought quite a good Sanyo music centre in the 70s but always used it with the treble turned all the way down and the bass turned all the way up. It sounded awful but he loved it - 'listen to those bass fiddles!' he'd say excitedly.
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Re: Bush DAC90A C17 tone Cap question
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http://www.worldphaco.com/uploads/Ra...he_1920_s..pdf Last edited by Argus25; 5th Oct 2017 at 12:08 am. Reason: typos |
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9th Oct 2017, 11:29 am | #30 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A C17 tone Cap question
I replaced my 0.003uf cap with another as the sound to my ears is fine.
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12th Oct 2017, 4:42 pm | #31 |
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Bush DAC90A goes quiet
Work done so far usual Caps changed new bulbs, perished wiring replaced checked my soldering all ok
Now after a while the set goes quiet where should I look? I am thinking resistors However quick flick of the waveband switch jumps it back for a while Mike M1ALT "Live Chassis precautions observed " |
12th Oct 2017, 5:15 pm | #32 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A goes quiet
What about a slow flick of the waveband switch?
A quick flick could shock something elsewhere on the chassis which is dodgy, into recovering its contact. A slow flick (if that's not a contradiction in terms!) is unlikely to do so, except the contacts of the switch itself. Does this happen when left on LW and on MW, or just one waveband (which?)? |
12th Oct 2017, 5:43 pm | #33 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A goes quiet
Slow flick or quick flick makes no difference, jumps it back, it is on LW where this happens.
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12th Oct 2017, 5:49 pm | #34 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A goes quiet
The 110pF capacitors in the IF transformers can give this symptom. I have had it with a DAC10 and heard reports of it with the DAC90A.
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12th Oct 2017, 6:45 pm | #35 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A goes quiet
Is there any screened lead around the volume control or top cap connectors that is perished inside and breaking down? Had this recently with a Murphy 104, same symptoms.
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12th Oct 2017, 8:33 pm | #36 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A goes quiet
Re wired C17 tone cap and C22 replaced wires with better screened now has case off sat on bench behaving itself listening to Radio 4 LW so we shall see.......
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12th Oct 2017, 10:00 pm | #37 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A goes quiet
Problem solved Me thinks ......a dry solder joint that is going open circuit as the set warms up and then remakes again once the set has cooled down
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19th Oct 2017, 5:38 pm | #38 |
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Bush DAC90A T1 primary and secondary wiring?
On the DAC90A T1 transformer which terminals are the primary and which the secondary? am I correct in thinking that secondary wire to the speaker or am I confused,
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19th Oct 2017, 5:40 pm | #39 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A T1 primary and secondary wiring?
Yes, secondary to 'speaker. Even if you do get it the wrong way round all that will happen is a very low output.
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19th Oct 2017, 5:55 pm | #40 |
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Re: Bush DAC90A T1 primary and secondary wiring?
The speaker (secondary) side has a much lower resistance than the primary, in case you get in a muddle!
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