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2nd Mar 2021, 5:28 pm | #1 |
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Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
hi all
I was recently gifted 2 Ferguson record players, one, the '3010' needs a replacement cartridge/stylus. There was talk on here a while back regarding the crazy cheap Chinese ceramic ones which perform very well considering the low price, can someone recommend please many thanks |
2nd Mar 2021, 5:48 pm | #2 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
Well the good news is that the cartridge you show is the wrong cartridge for your FERGUSON 3010 anyway! That's a high-output cartridge (BSR X3H?) and although very rare, it will not suit the 2 stage (UCL82) amp in your player. Yes, the Cheapo Chinese are still available and will suit your player. They come in 2 versions on a 1/2" mount - 33/45 only or for all 3 speeds. The only thing you will need to do its to bridge the LH and RH channels on the tag strip under the motor plate otherwise you will not hear all the content of the record.
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2nd Mar 2021, 8:14 pm | #3 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
Thanks Edward
The cart is an BSR X1M. I had a look on eBay and there are ceramic ones which have a flip over LP/78 which I think I'll go for, more expensive but being able to play 78's is preferable Can you kindly explain about bridging L&R connections? The wiring currently is 2x signal plus screen to the tag strip |
2nd Mar 2021, 9:28 pm | #4 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
Yes, but if you do buy a Chinese Cheapo it will have 4 connectors: RH+, RH-, LH+, LH- and the RH and LH must be bridged. There should be 4 wires in the BSR Autochanger's tone arm already.
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3rd Mar 2021, 12:19 am | #5 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
Thanks Edward, ah yes I found two other wires stuffed up inside the tone arm, but they must be terminated somewhere inside as there are only 2 signal wires on the tag?
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3rd Mar 2021, 8:44 am | #6 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
All 4 tonearm wires will go to the tag strip. The centre tag is motor plate ground and the other 4 are for the 2 channnels. Each will have a different colour: RH+ Red, RH- Green, LH+ White, LH- Blue/Black.
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4th Mar 2021, 1:38 pm | #7 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
Found the wires as you suggested Edward. I haven't got the new cartridge yet but I understand the two phases should be either paralleled or series, if in series is the output voltage doubled?
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4th Mar 2021, 1:45 pm | #8 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
No, whilst you may think it will be doubled, it is not the case. Connect up the 4 wires as I advised above. It's much easier to do the L to R bridging on the tag strip.
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4th Mar 2021, 1:52 pm | #9 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
I wonder why the wires to the tag strip have been cut?
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4th Mar 2021, 1:59 pm | #10 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
I cut them Graham, to enable me to solder them to the red/black, they were soldered to unused tags but at the bottom and un-get-at-able
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4th Mar 2021, 2:12 pm | #11 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
Each to his own, but you could have just soldered in a couple of straps.
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4th Mar 2021, 2:15 pm | #12 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
I'm having a lateral thinking day
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10th Mar 2021, 5:05 pm | #13 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
hi all
just a query about the Ferguson. I fitted the new ceramic cart and it works fine but seems rather quiet, meaning one has to turn the volume up which of course ups the hum pickup too. I tried wiring it in both parallel and series but the output is the same. It's supposedly 200mV output, is that appropriate for this player? |
10th Mar 2021, 5:49 pm | #14 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
What Ceramic cartridge did you buy then? I did advise not to bother with "series" and "parallel" wiring.
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10th Mar 2021, 6:04 pm | #15 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
hi Ed, a cheap Chinese one with an LP/78 stylus, wired series as per this diagram added by a forum member
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10th Mar 2021, 8:59 pm | #16 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
I see, but I did not advise this!
Turning the volume further up will always emphasise any residual hum which you will have in these "U" valve type amplifiers. You should "bridge" the LH and RH channels as explained earlier. These Chinese Cheapies do give c.200mV output and so this should load the UCL82 quite well in your amplifier. The way you have now wired this might eplain the lower than expected output. Please do follow the recommendations given and advise when you can.
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11th Mar 2021, 11:46 am | #17 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
Thanks for the reply Edward
I think we are talking at crossed purposes here, I did "bridge" the wires on the tag strip originally as you suggested and found the output too quiet, then I tried the series wiring hoping there might be less hum. But the same result, there's insufficient output vs more than enough hum pick up? The original p/u, a BSR X1M had a 1.7V output I believe, whereas this one has 200mV, quite a difference, but academic as this is what I have! |
11th Mar 2021, 2:19 pm | #18 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
The original BSR X1M (M = Medium) had an output of c.250mV.
No UK made crystal/ceramic cartridge could ever give an output as high as 1.7V. With the correct connections, and the amplifier working as it should, you should get more than adequate output from 200mV on to the UCL82 triode's grid. Other members can vouch for this I am sure. Clearly, there must be a fault in the amplifier itself or in the connections to it.
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12th Mar 2021, 12:53 pm | #20 |
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Re: Ferguson 3010 replacement cartridge
Ah yes, I can understand you being confused with this!
That Link is to a US site and all mV outputs are doubled in their specifications. I know this model of record player very well and, when working as it should, this will give a good quality and a more than adequate sound output of c.2.5 to 3 watts.
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