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29th Oct 2021, 10:48 am | #101 |
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Re: Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
Circuit should look something like this, although the need for the choke is doubtful.
What's the value of the smoothing capacitor?
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29th Oct 2021, 10:55 am | #102 |
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Re: Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
If it's LC then the B+ supply to the amplifier under load would be lower than it would be if it were C or CLC.
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29th Oct 2021, 11:54 am | #104 | |
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Re: Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
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With those hand written numbers I would say custom wound for an unknown original use. That valve power supply choke will have far too much resistance to be in series with the power for a small transistor amp. They normally just have a single capacitor. It looks like an abandoned project and may never have worked from the start. |
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29th Oct 2021, 1:05 pm | #106 |
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Re: Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
We still do not know if it was even meant to be an output transformer.
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29th Oct 2021, 2:02 pm | #107 |
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Yes very true.
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29th Oct 2021, 2:40 pm | #108 |
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Re: Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
I think that transformer connected to the speaker is an RS. ( Radiospares) matching transformer. The IC needs 8 or more ohms and no doubt the speaker is a 3ohm one.
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30th Oct 2021, 9:13 am | #109 |
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That's a big possibility and I may think you are right
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30th Oct 2021, 9:29 am | #110 |
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Re: Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
The 7" x 4" Elac speaker, now seen in the photo, is 99% likely to be 3 ohms.
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Re: Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
today I found a broken wire on the output transformer I did a repair now I hums and crackle from the speaker, please see picture regards Ken
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30th Oct 2021, 2:17 pm | #112 |
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Re: Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
Does it now pass the "buzz test"?
Even if it does you'll still need to sort out the power supply for best performance.
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30th Oct 2021, 2:28 pm | #113 | |
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Still would be good to get a drawing of the actual power supply wiring connections. Does not have to be a technical drawing just a simple hand drawn sketch showing the mains transformer, bridge rectifier, choke and smoothing capacitor (just drawn as rectangles) showing the wires connections and any terminal identifications on the parts. This is important because there are still unclear questions as to how the mains transformer secondary windings are connected, if the choke is actually required etc. David |
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30th Oct 2021, 6:59 pm | #114 |
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Hi Please see drawing and picture regards Ken
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30th Oct 2021, 7:09 pm | #115 |
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It's as I thought on both counts (Post#47) series secondary's and LC filter so far as I can see.
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30th Oct 2021, 7:14 pm | #116 |
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Re: Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
Looks like my drawing in post #101.
I don't understand the spec of the choke though. Should be something like x Henries at y mA.
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30th Oct 2021, 8:07 pm | #117 |
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Re: Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
Well done Ken that clarifies the power supply wiring a lot. The photo confirms that the mains transformer primary is correctly connected.
Can you measure the voltage arriving at the choke input and re-measure the voltage at the choke output to see how much voltage is being dropped across the choke and re-measure the voltage arriving at the amplifier PCB (previously there appeared to be a large voltage drop arriving at the PCB). The previous voltage at the smoothing capacitor seemed somewhat on the low side for the series connected secondary expected output. Important to do the buzz test from Post # 56 (it is safe to do), this will help to prove if there is any life in the amplifier. David |
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Re: Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
Sorry Dave I did the buzz test just before I sent the last pictures and it worked fine but forgot to include it with the pictures
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1st Nov 2021, 3:45 pm | #120 |
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Re: Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
I am getting a reading from the smoothing choke capacitor of 8.28v
A reading from the smoothing choke 2.45v the input to the mother board is 8v |