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2nd Jul 2019, 10:26 am | #1 |
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Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
Hi. There are a few issues to sort with my recent radio purchase. For sale has been an "Ever Ready Model 5014". Before I bought it I could see that it did not have the original speaker or mains transformer, so I made an offer. But before I get onto those issues, let me start with this: The chassis is clearly for a model 5014, it does not have the 5104 layout. Now, the serial number on the chassis is 5140679. Curiously (weirdly) the label on the cabinet also mentions a serial number of - 5140678. I don't believe Ever Ready made a model 5140.
OK, what's going on? Looks like for model 5014, serials simply start with 5140, not as one might imagine 5014. And perhaps at the factory cabinet serials and chassis serials got out of synch? |
2nd Jul 2019, 10:45 am | #2 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
Here is a picture (first picture) of the speaker as found in the set I have. I'm pretty sure it not the original. Can anyone please identify this speaker and what set it was in? I also post a picture of what I think maybe could be the original speaker with the 5014. This one is Magnavox make (I do wonder if the original speaker should actually be a Plessey product).
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2nd Jul 2019, 10:50 am | #3 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
I just checked the example at Radiomuseum.
The serial number also starts 514 https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/ever_5014.html Mike Watterson knows a lot about Ever Ready saerial numbers Cheers Mike T
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2nd Jul 2019, 11:04 am | #4 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/ever_5014.html
This is the set which may have the original speaker. But it does not (like mine) have the original mains transformer. Looks like for model 5014, the serials are prefixed with a three digit number: 514. |
2nd Jul 2019, 11:17 am | #5 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
Is this the original mains transformer ?
Ah I just noticed this has the same serial number as yours I got this off PIC UK Cheers Mike T
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2nd Jul 2019, 12:14 pm | #6 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
Hi. That picture is of the set I bought. It's not the original transformer. I attach a drawing from a service sheet that gives an outline of the original transformer. Also shows that mains came into set by way of a plug: I'd love to see a photo of an all-original chassis (from a back view).
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2nd Jul 2019, 1:08 pm | #7 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
This picture of the side view of my 5014 might show the original voltage selector strip, that has been messed with and relocated from the back of the set to the side as shown.
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2nd Jul 2019, 2:27 pm | #8 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
I don't know anything about pre-1945 serial numbers. Also most had the model number on the guarantee card, perhaps meant to tear off on some models. At any rate from the Model A, the serial number was prefixed with the model.
Also many Ever Ready Models 1935 to 1942 had exact equivalent Lissen models but often in a different case. Some of them may be Pye designed (1935 to 1938) and even using Pye metal work. My 5017 had a duff speaker but I managed to get a replacement field coil type, very like the Ever Ready / Lissen ones from France (shipped from Germany, as seller was near border). https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/ever_5017.html It does use a mains socket cable and captive chassis plug. The Ever Ready 5104 would be 1937, the 5014 is maybe one of the earliest in 1935. https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/ever_5104.html I don't think Ever Ready was using Plessey till after WWII. The Model B seems almost entirely Plessey, it's nearly identical to an EMI Marconi/HMV. The Model C is obviously strange too as there is a wooden case Cossor version. Curiously Lissen (Ever Ready controlled since 1928) was using Mullard valves by 1935 which were labelled Ever Ready and some Pye models used them. I still have the original speaker somewhere of the 5017, thinking I might rewind it. |
2nd Jul 2019, 2:32 pm | #9 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
The Lissen Carisbrooke 8401 is likely a different cabinet to the Ever Ready 5401.
https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/lissen_8401.html It WILL be the same chassis. Some Ever Ready and Lissen models look like they can't be the same chassis due to a completely different tuning scale or even a metal plate on the chassis to layout the controls differently! Sneaky! |
2nd Jul 2019, 3:02 pm | #10 | |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
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Because of what you said, I am tempted to assume that my speaker (rounded features viewed from the back) is an original, but (I think) the truth is that an original speaker for both the 5014 & 5017 would show a rectangular feature viewed from the back. Correct? Rich P.S. Indeed as shown here: https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/lissen_8401.html |
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2nd Jul 2019, 4:06 pm | #11 | |
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2nd Jul 2019, 4:17 pm | #12 | |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
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I found the original photos and the speaker in it as received is likely from 1950s, no field coil. So I was mixing it up with a different model in my faulty memory. So I've no idea what the real original was. A photo I found online does have square metal work on the field coil. I've no way of knowing how original. Mine wasn't and isn't. Though at least now the original type of speaker. |
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2nd Jul 2019, 4:58 pm | #13 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
A possibly 5017 original speaker?
Forget where original was. This is an edited clip |
2nd Jul 2019, 5:48 pm | #14 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
Hi. According to the schematics for the 5014 & 5017, four wires are required to connect the set to the speaker. It looks like your replacement speaker for the 5017 is the same as mine and so we both have the original type of speaker, I for my 5014 & you for your 5017 - but not actually the original speaker as such in either case. Except that you do have the old duff speaker for the 5017. It's make is?
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2nd Jul 2019, 6:14 pm | #15 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
No, I was mistaken, someone had replaced mine with a PM type. The photo in #13 is some random 5017 on the web, maybe was eBay, looks like it might be Magnavox?. I got radio off eBay from London. Postage was more than the radio!
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2nd Jul 2019, 7:18 pm | #16 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
I think the Lissen 8214 set would (from the back) look just like the Every Ready 5014 from the back. So, the original speaker for the 5014 was ( I feel fairly sure) a Magnavox Electro Magnetic Dynamic speaker. Shown here in two models with the same chassis:
https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/lissen_8214.html https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/ever_5014.html The Lissen looking totally original, the Ever Ready not. Last edited by radiozero; 2nd Jul 2019 at 7:25 pm. |
2nd Jul 2019, 8:43 pm | #17 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
Magnavox is believable.
Certainly a WORKING field coil AKA Electrodynamic speaker should never be replaced by a P.M. type. When they have been replaced (often due to leakage on capacitor driving final PA grid) I try to find a suitable replacement. Often people are looking for very big money. |
3rd Jul 2019, 2:45 pm | #18 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
Mike, what make and model is that replacement speaker you got for the 5017, which looks like the one that's in my 5014, except mine has no markings? All I know is that it's the same type of speaker as the one in the 5014 originally (i.e. that it's an Electrodynamic speaker sporting 3 coils).
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3rd Jul 2019, 2:48 pm | #19 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
Penny for my thoughts: I'm thinking, am I the only member here that has an Ever Ready 5014. I'm surprised no one with that set has chimed in.
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4th Aug 2019, 2:56 pm | #20 |
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Re: Ever Ready 5014 & 5104 (my issues)
Here is the loudspeaker that has been used as a replacement in my 5014, but complete with the original audio output transformer. Seller said it came from a 1930's Marconi set.
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