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17th Sep 2019, 12:18 pm | #1 |
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Apprentice's electrical notes
Drawings by an electrician apprentice, probably 1920s or 1930s.
House wiring, lighting, electric bells and house telephones http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php...66295463618900 Approx 17 MB so too big for forum hosting. Will disappear after 100 days inactivitity. |
17th Sep 2019, 6:54 pm | #2 |
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Re: Apprentice's electrical notes
I've always been vaguely fascinated by this sort of thing, along with the "Trade test pieces" journeyman electricians/workshop-mechanics/potters/plumbers/carpenters/joiners/engravers were required to produce in orcer to be admitted to the appropriate 'guild'.
Intriguing as a period-piece and a historical snapshot - but when a couple of decades back I tried to interest various museums/historical-artifacts-societies with my late father's WWII-era document-archive [which included a bunch of stuff from his time attached to Pye in Cambridge - they were not allowed to mention Magnetrons and had to refer to them as 'the thing'] nobody was interested, so "in the interests of national security" I had the lot shredded. Crochet/embroidered 'samplers' can at least be framed and displayed as ornaments; this can't really be said of charts showing B-H magnetisation-curves for DC-energized field-coils. |
17th Sep 2019, 7:13 pm | #3 |
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Re: Apprentice's electrical notes
One of the sellers at the local 'antique' (aka 'junk') fair had a couple of similar notebook things with notes, typed handouts etc from some course on telegraphy/teleprinters, probably WW2 military.
I was looking at them and the seller said 'You are probably the only person here who will understand them, you can have them if you want'. They are quite interesting, sometime I will scan the more generic and understandable parts. FWIW if I had any spare wall space (not occupied by bookshelves, etc) I'd rather fill it with technical diagrams than more traditional art. But then I have a very unusual house... |
17th Sep 2019, 9:40 pm | #4 |
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Re: Apprentice's electrical notes
Thanks for sharing that, very interesting, very neat and beautiful hand writing too.
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17th Sep 2019, 11:05 pm | #5 |
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Re: Apprentice's electrical notes
Some interesting wiring arrangements. Away from home at present so viewing on the rather small screen of my phone, must have a detailed look when I get back home. Many of the luminaries and fittings look like those in the 1911 GEC catalogue. Some interesting things at page 26 on, not only a 3 pin plug used in the modern way to provide an earth, but also the use of 3 pin plugs on unearthed arrangements where the plug connects two independently switched lights, each connected by 2 core flex to the plug, the centre contact being common, the other two socket contacts being connected to the mains via respective switches. I recall that the original patent for the Lindstrom 3 pin plug only describes its use with three core cable to allow a table lamp to be controlled by its own switch or a wall switch at the socket, although wiki's AC power plugs does not mention this fact and only refers to its (subsequent) use as a conventional earthed plug.
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19th Sep 2019, 9:03 am | #6 |
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Re: Apprentice's electrical notes
In the 1980's I after looked after the pabx telephones at Birmingham University for GPO/BT. They also had a Reliance engineer who looked after the PAX phones. One day, he (and his apprentice) approached me to ask how to put an extension off a single telephone AKA plan 1a. So I ripped a sheet out of my notebook and quickly drew a two telephone p!an 1a complete with strapping and cord colours.
He duly thanked me and as I walked away, I couldn't help feeling a bit smug when I heard the apprentice say "Wow, he did that straight out of his head!". i know I'm not the only person who could have done that in those days but it's testament to the GPO training we received, which in my opinion, was second to none. I love these old diagrams and the people who could draw such things. |
19th Sep 2019, 8:26 pm | #7 |
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Re: Apprentice's electrical notes
I remember the same smug feeling drawing the classic 1960s radio circuit on the school blackboard using 6 Ge PNP transistors with driver and output transformers, all complete with component values.
We were up to bulbs & batteries in the science curriculum at the time.
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12th Nov 2019, 11:05 pm | #8 |
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Re: Apprentice's electrical notes
TD - same training that has gone on for a long time. Sadly now departed ,from my viewing of the OR Facebook FORUM GROUP. But plan 1A was the bread and butter of a subs app installer in those days . I also remember the look of amazement on our maintenance TO faces when we subs apps blokes were asked to help fault a 105/107. Most times it was a blown transistor switch,and these highly tech blokes would prefer to change the unit rather than fault it. But it's each to their own. As a transmission TO, I'd take any transmission relay set to the auto guys for faulting, and they would bring any electronics to us.
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17th Nov 2019, 9:28 pm | #9 |
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Re: Apprentice's electrical notes
Reminds me of when I transferred to transmission after many years on auto - guess who got the job of adjusting the carpenter relays in the Units Telegraph?
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17th Nov 2019, 11:00 pm | #10 |
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Re: Apprentice's electrical notes
198- I did telegraph /telex relays in the firts TRS I was on relief. But on the later larger ones, we had no relays except for 2000 types, and we were allergic to those.
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19th Nov 2019, 4:02 pm | #11 |
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Re: Apprentice's electrical notes
Still got all my Crossbar training course notes, and many of the Strowger ones, back from my Plessey apprenticeship in the 70's.
Not even a Crossbar rack in a museum now, came and went inside 15 years. Last edited by AC/HL; 19th Nov 2019 at 5:59 pm. Reason: Political aside edited |
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I have a working Crossbar system albeit a bit small ! An Ericsson ARD624 system. Only 'real' crossbar I ever worked on was a PX2000 course at Beeston in mid-1970's then getting a 600 line one going once it had been installed. Three suites of racks! And now I've got a 500 line PABX that will fit in a small biscuit tin that I'm playing with! And my Raspberry PI system has over 250 working lines currently registered on it! How things gave changed since my GPO apprenticeship days (when some exchanges were still 'winding the handle' to call the operator) ! |
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22nd Nov 2019, 2:43 pm | #13 |
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25th Nov 2019, 11:13 am | #14 |
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Re: Apprentice's electrical notes
It is nice to know that they did last a little longer. Looking back I find them fascinating, what you could do with relays.
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25th Nov 2019, 11:34 pm | #15 | |
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26th Nov 2019, 5:18 pm | #16 | |
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After TXE2 electronics, transmission, and retirement, I still have fond memories and respect for the design features of a UAX13. A few days before it closed, I taped the sound of Arley (West Mids) UAX13, later made into an MP3. |
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I have a working 1929 UAX plus I've got UAX12s and a UAX13. Also got the last working 'Strowger' from the BT network - Foula exchange in July 1995. See 'BT Digital Exchanges - a Timeline' There's a working TXE2 at Avoncroft Museum at Bromsgrove. Even BT still have an electro-mechanical exchange working in London but not allowed to say anymore about it - yet! |
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