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8th Apr 2022, 11:12 am | #1 |
Triode
Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: Burnley, Lancashire, UK.
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Varnish stripping on veneer (modern non toxic remover).
I recently bought a 1930'3 KB table top model with lots of veneer missing, this was around the 'border' on the front so all varnish had to be removed on the front and on the sides/top as there were very deep scratches in the varnish.
I bought some modern 'safer' varnish stripper, which has to be applied thickly, not brushed out and left on for an hour, it worked fine on the solid timber sides but the veneer on the front bubbled due to high water content of the stuff. Nitromors would have been ok as the time left on the varnish is a few mins, I have managed to flatten the raised veneer with a heavy weight and re-glue with pearl glue so all is ok, but just be aware of this if you are restoring a valuable cabinet. Although Nitromors was hazardous it worked very well, there is also 'safe' white spirit on sale now, it is useless!
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9th Apr 2022, 10:03 am | #2 |
Hexode
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Location: Blackpool, Lancashire, UK.
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Re: Varnish stripping on veneer (modern non toxic remover).
I have a 1936 Cossor radio cabinet that I will eventually have to tackle. It just has surface 'scuffs' and wear around the knobs. Can we still get "Nitromors"?, and Will "Nitromors" just remove the finish (which I believe is Shellac based)?
I have the fully restored & working chassis, and I want to fully restore the cabinet too (preferably to 1936 showroom condition)!! Any other tips and advice will be appreciated.
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9th Apr 2022, 12:08 pm | #3 |
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Location: Brentwood, Essex, UK.
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Re: Varnish stripping on veneer (modern non toxic remover).
The solvent for traditional shellac varnish is meths. I think one of the solvents used in traditional paint strippers was methlyene chloride (dichlotomethane). This is still sold in small bottles as a solvent for plastics that you should be able to find in shops that sell model railway stuff under the name "Plasweld", or in larger bottles on-line from the manufacturer. I haven't tried using it on shellac but have used it to make thickened paint useable, having noted that it was listed as a constituent on the tin.
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9th Apr 2022, 12:24 pm | #4 |
Heptode
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Boston, Lincolnshire, UK.
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Re: Varnish stripping on veneer (modern non toxic remover).
It would probably be much simpler to determine what the finish is first, and then restore appropriately - personally (as a Chemist) I'd find Nitromors (old or new) to be somewhat drastic, very messy, and even undesirable if it is Shellac. This link might help - it's just the first link I found to identifying the existing finish:
https://theprovince.com/life/care-pa...y-this-matters Alan |
9th Apr 2022, 6:12 pm | #5 |
Hexode
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Bristol, UK.
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Re: Varnish stripping on veneer (modern non toxic remover).
I would use a Tungsten-Carbìde cabinet scraper,no liquid whatever,and fine glasspaper.Practice on the largest areas first.Les
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9th Apr 2022, 7:36 pm | #6 |
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Location: Oxfordshire, UK.
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Re: Varnish stripping on veneer (modern non toxic remover).
You don't say what the product was that you tried. I've had some good results using Wickes' paint and varnish stripper, but you have to give it time. That's based on benzyl alcohol. Speaking as another Chemist, I too am not sorry to see Nitromors gone!
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15th Apr 2022, 3:17 pm | #7 |
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Location: Seaford, East Sussex, UK.
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Re: Varnish stripping on veneer (modern non toxic remover).
The standard finish for wooden radios was nitrocellulose lacquer which will need a paint remover but it is worth testing with meths first to see if it does soften as it is far less damaging to the wood.
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