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#21 |
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Particularly avoid "Simply Duracell" branded types, they are complete junk both for short life and leakage, even for Duracell.
Shame, as I did recently remove a Duracell C battery from a wall clock I picked up from a house clearance sale, it is date coded 1995, hasn't leaked and still has a terminal voltage off load of over 1.5 Poor QC has crept in and production has moved around the world since that example was made. The 'good' ones like this seem to be produced in Belgium. |
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I am in the camp which is able to favour resistance to leakage over the other parameters mentioned; the Panasonic alkalines i use currently for most things do not have a huge amount of capacity- and for me they don't need to.
The lab would probably test cells in different ambients, but i doubt they would take the trouble to cycle the temperature to simulate an uninsulated outbuilding. Dave |
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I use an awful lot of Eneloop and Vapextech low-self-discharge NiMh AA cells.
The beauty of LSDs is that they maintain their voltage on the shelf for well over a year. They can be fast charged and peak reliably. Highly recommended unless you actually need 1.5v per cell. |
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I don't understand why Duracells seem to have an order of magnitude (or more) worse leakage rates than other brands (16% rather than 1 or 2% in the data I have since 2014). Initially, I wondered if they were using more aggressive chemicals in their mix to give them longer life, but doesn't show in the battery life tests from Which and others, or even their own data sheets (as opposed to marketing claims). Maybe their owners are cutting manufacturing costs to the bone and cashing in on the name while they can.
Data sheets from different manufacturers are difficult to compare directly, because they all use different measurment methods. Some use a constant load current, others use a constant load power, there seems to be no agreement on end-point voltage, some quote continuous loading, others show intermittent load and different duty cycles, etc. I think Panasonic Evolta have a slightly different chemistry, where fresh electrolyte migrates towards the electrodes during rest periods. This helps with intermittent heavy loads such as digital cameras, although only marginally compared to switching to Lithiums for such apps. I used to stock Duracells for high drain applications and Panasonic for low drain, until it became obvious that there wasn't much difference between the two except cost and leakage. With Aldi cells topping the Alkaline performance tables, doing well on not leaking, and being the cheapest (at 22p/cell), they're now my default for everything except a digital camera which uses 2 AA cells, and Lithiums last considerably longer than either Alkalines or NiMH. Stuart |
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'Simply Duracell' are a disgrace and bordering on brand prostitution. They are produced specifically for low cost chains like Poundland and are downright poor quality, even worse than the normal Duracell brands we like to moan about here. Despite the poor quality, the chains are able to charge significantly more for them than their standard cheap alkalines because some people will pay more for the name. Shameful.
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I couldn't agree more Paul. I hate anything like that, playing on a name.
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Just been to Aldi and picked up some AAs and AAAs with my usual workday lunch. At 25p/cell they are indeed very good value, especially if they don't leak readily and perform well.
Interestingly, they'd almost sold out of AAs, maybe because of the good publicity. And as is often the case, Cs and Ds and even PP3s were nowhere to be seen. |
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All batteries regardless of brand, are now made in China. I cannot think of a single battery I've bought in the last five years plus that is not Chinese.
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There are still some big battery plants in Europe, but being made in (say) Poland doesn't mean they're any better quality. Chinese companies can and do make very high quality products (along with all the rubbish).
Both Aldi and Lidl seem to put some effort into ensuring that their batteries are good quality, regardless of the contract manufacturer. |
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I've got some Panasonic "Pro Power" AAA cells here that are made in Belgium, and some "DIALL" brand [B&Q] AAA marked Made in Germany. But as in all thee things, where something is made doesn't tell you much. Some Chinese stuff is great, some UK/European stuff is useless. I prefer a strategy of regula rreplacement. Batteries are cheap compared to what we were paying in the 'sixties so it's no great hardship to replace rather than have some cells go oozy and cause damage.
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The AAs I picked up at lunchtime say made in EU, the AAAs Belgium.
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Not necessarily representative, however the most recent in date Duracell leakers I had were marked "Made in the USA"
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I thought the Chinese ones were "Flying Bomb" brand - the picture shows "wings".
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I don't think I've seen a new Flying Bomb battery for many years, but I've a vintage Flying Bomb PP7 - "Made in Hong Kong" at the Kai It Battery Factory, as I think they always were. Never any leakage, but the top and bottom have swelled a bit.
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know if an AA battery meets a military spec.
FYI military issue ones are made by Varta. |
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Flying-Bombs were Hong-Kong productions back in the 'sixties.
I remember buying packs of 10 PP3 Flying-Bombs at a market-stall in Wellington [now Telford] back min the day, and then selling them on to schoolmates for a significant profit so they could listen to Luxembourg on their pocket-portables after "Lights-out". I wonder what the modern equivalent would be? Renting out your Li-Ion 'power pack' so a kid could listen to some streaming-service on her iPhone?
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Like I said this doesn't necessarily show in the lab but it does in real life. Incidentally I've never rated Witch magazine and never will.
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Well I absolutely stand corrected regarding China. The Aldi brand looks good, and Varta are likewise made in Germany.
Delighted that I was wrong! Craig
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