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Old 11th Feb 2018, 1:45 pm   #121
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I remember reading, about 35 years ago, about a company, Philips in Eindhoven, Netherlands, maybe?, that had an engineering club workshop with lathes, etc. that retired employees and apprentices could join, and it worked: the retirees lived longer, and the apprentices could learn skills in an informal setting.
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That sounds a great idea, good old Philips. Back in their day they must have been a great company to work for with the wealth of knowledge from their engineers and scientists.

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Old 11th Feb 2018, 7:30 pm   #122
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Robinshack has said pretty much what i was thinking about all this.

I am also conscious that the member involved in the recent 'incident' that has re-boosted this thread, is no longer a member and so presumably can't answer back; a good enough reason for gun back in holster maybe..
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 7:58 pm   #123
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I am also conscious that the member involved in the recent 'incident' that has re-boosted this thread, is no longer a member and so presumably can't answer back; a good enough reason for gun back in holster maybe..
About the most sensible thing I have read on this one-sided thread
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 9:27 pm   #124
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May I make a suggestion here. Maybe all new members must participate in say 10 threads without requesting help. It will at least show the member's intent, technical acumen and willingness to learn. Once the member has passed this initiating process then he/she is welcome to post requests for help. Is this a daft idea or could it prevent the kind of problems just discussed?
Difficult one. My first post was a query but I have been in the trade since before leaving school (Saturday job in back shop).
If I had no background and could not identify a component, let alone detect a duff one, what earthly use would my first 10 posts be in any thread?
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 9:32 pm   #125
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The last three posts nail it for me.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 11:37 pm   #126
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Someone new appears on the forum, most usually with a question about a problem, what else can you do but treat them reasonably and contribute a reasonable and reasoned reply?

If the question poses safety implications, then it's sensible to elicit further information to gauge the questioner's level of experience/competence. After all, whose life is the one potentially at risk?

And then, as they say, you see how it goes from there....

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I am also conscious that the member involved in the recent 'incident' that has re-boosted this thread, is no longer a member and so presumably can't answer back
What appeared on the public forum is a matter of record. There were other unseen comments, which will remain so. The matter is now closed.
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Old 12th Feb 2018, 12:49 am   #128
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It does seem that when it comes to electrics a lot of common sensed folks minds seem to turn to jelly. I regularly post on a car forum and number of times I see the "change this/change that " approach to an electrical problem amazes me. Perhaps, I'm blessed with a decent engineering background, which applies to mechanical s and electrics,but I'm of the old school of "how does it work, what is not working ,and then look for a solution".
Simple example- car lamp not lit- no supply or faulty lamp.
But what needs to be taught is the half it and see technique. It doesn't matter if the fault lies on a light circuit to the top yard of a farm/ a transatlantic circuit or a track on a PCB, for simple no voltage faults. More complicated faults might involve the introduction of capacitors in a circuit to check for open circuit ones, or voltage checks on the cathode of valves, or legs of transistors, but that needs a lot of theory.
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In another thread about replacing a selenium rectifier, I did make the mistake of drawing sketches and posting pictures explaining how to test the rectifier, how they and the reservoir and smoothing caps work
That wasn't as much of a mistake as you may have thought.

I for one found that information extremely interesting as it filled a hitherto unknown gap in my knowledge. Until that question was posed, I would have assumed that a selenium rectifier could be replaced one for one with a more modern rectifier like a suitably rated silicon diode and no other components. I can remember selenium rectifiers in old car battery chargers and model train controllers, but I have never actually had to replace one in anything.

Even if the OP of a given thread appears not to want to benefit from the information given, others eventually will, when they surf onto that thread in search of the same information at some point in the future.

When I'm in a position to answer someone's query myself (in this and a few other forums I frequent) I often answer it in greater detail than might seem necessary for the OP's benefit, and that is because I am conscious that the OP is probably not the only person who will ever have their problem, and that other people - possibly with less knowledge than the OP of the thread - will eventually come across it in search of the same answers.

So to me, David, time spent answering a question in great detail is never really wasted, even if it sometimes seems to have been wasted on the OP. It will eventually prove useful to someone and perhaps prevent the same question from being asked again two years down the line.

Almost every thread in this forum is a little treasure chest full of valuable knowledge waiting to be found, even if it was not always appreciated by the person for whom it was originally intended.
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I actually saw what "no longer a member" had changed his profile wording to just before the thread was shut down, not very nice and it was clearly aimed at everyone that uses this forum. No further comment from me.

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Old 12th Feb 2018, 10:27 am   #131
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I actually saw what "no longer a member" had changed his profile wording to just before the thread was shut down, not very nice and it was clearly aimed at everyone that uses this forum. No further comment from me.

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I saw them too, I couldn't believe how they managed to slip through the net, so I couldn't resist taking some screen shots. I cant see any comments that were aimed at forum members other than at the mods.
These types of one-sided threads do nothing more than drive a wedge between the elite members and the slow learners such as myself and create bad feeling and even less respect. They ruin a good forum
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No wedge driven, as far as I can see.

I don't think those sorts of posts do any damage other than to the poster. Those who need help seem to get it, and the givers of said help seem to feel that it was appreciated by the vast majority of readers.

I've asked for help many times in areas I'm not familiar with, and I've been able to dispense a bit on familiar stuff. Things look OK on both sides of the fence.

Inevitably there is a steady flow of people wanting to make a quick buck off forum member's generosity and there are those with negative social skills, but by and large the community is robust enough to shrug them off. Such people contain the seeds of their own destruction and inevitably bring far more misery into their own lives than they ever can bring to anyone else's.

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Old 12th Feb 2018, 1:08 pm   #133
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One thing forum members may not be aware of is that some people can't even be bothered to join the forums and post a question. Instead they contact the moderators directly expecting individual treatment.
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That's a bit of a liberty, you'd expect the person would want to become a member to take part in the discussions for the benefit of everyone.

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Old 12th Feb 2018, 3:05 pm   #134
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Inevitably there is a steady flow of people wanting to make a quick buck off forum member's generosity and there are those with negative social skills, but by and large the community is robust enough to shrug them off. Such people contain the seeds of their own destruction and inevitably bring far more misery into their own lives than they ever can bring to anyone else's.
Quite. Can we please draw a line under this unfortunate incident and move on.
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Old 12th Feb 2018, 3:49 pm   #135
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As this thread is heading for 7000 viewings, and I opened this can of worms, I would agree to it being closed. Its been fun, a laugh, but its getting boring.
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Old 12th Feb 2018, 4:37 pm   #136
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I agree that this is a suitable point at which to close this thread, so will do so.
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