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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 8:25 pm   #21
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Default Re: CV2100 ACE open reel VTR

My secondary school had at least one of these open reel VTR's in the science department. I can remember watching something from one on a huge monochrome TV on a tall stand. I remember the teacher having to reach into the back of the TV and what sounded like a linkage being operated (this wouldn't be allowed nowadays surely). I also remember the picture looked like 405 lines. This was in the early 80's.

The school also had what looked like an N1500 or 1700. I wonder if there are still some of these machines stored away in old schools or if they've all met their maker.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 8:41 pm   #22
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If it was 405 line the VTR may have been a CV2000B which was sold in GB with 405 line accessories - in fact it could operate on any 50Hz field system eg 405, 625 or 819 and was marketed with appropriate accessories in a number of territories
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 8:59 pm   #23
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At a university where I work, there was an N1700 machine and hundreds of tapes in the library up to about 10 years ago. The room was cleared and I presume unfortunately the machine went too. Shame, I would have saved it if I could. I have managed to save a lot, but it is surprising how much gets disposed of.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 10:30 pm   #24
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Hi Nick - great to read this story.

We had a Sony reel video machine at my school and I remember asking the teacher if I could have it when I was asked, with a friend, to throw it away in the bins outside! The teacher considered this for a short while and then agreed to allow me to take it home, along with a collection of reels, on the basis that my parents agreed and provided a letter in support of this. After a lot of convincing, Mum finally agreed, and the machine came home.

Unfortunately it is no longer with me, but I do still have some video reels somewhere which you can have if I manage to find them.

Our school had a Ferguson Videostar top loading machine which was the prized possession and under no circumstances could be touched by any pupils! It lived in a locked trolley along with a Ferguson Colourstar TV.

We also had a N1700 Philips machine that was used regularly, but the teachers seemed to always have difficulty stablising the pictures. We were made to watch the TV countdown clocks which preceeded schoolds programmes for the full minute whilst they fiddled with the tracking.
Hi LukeG83,
That's a shame you don't still have the machine. I would certainly be interested in the tapes if you do find them! I think the sheer weight of the machine saved mine from being thrown out years ago: it was just easier to leave it where it was!!
During my progress through secondary school in the early '80's, AFAIK, they still had the open reel Sony when I left in 1985.
At some point, a VHS machine was purchased at huge cost by funds raised by the PTA. Like you, this was locked in a cupboard and was not allowed to be touched by pupils.
I can't remember the make or the TV it was hooked up to. However, I do remember watching a program in the school hall and the TV kept changing channels to the consternation of the teacher who kept fiddling with it. One of the lads had brought a remote in from home and had it hidden in his blazer pocket!!
I was responsible for most of the recordings on the school Sony. I don't remember it ever being used in 405- I'm sure the classroom where it was kept only had a UHF aerial. Plus most of the school's programs were on BBC2, which was UHF only.
I'm sure, in the '70s before I went there, it would have been used in 405.

At some point during school, I acquired a Sony portable open reel machine. This used smaller reels which were not compatible with the big Sony but would fit on to it. I could never get it to work properly and eventually it got disposed of.

Compared to the usual junk I collected, my parents were remarkably receptive to the idea of the Sony and even funded it! Mind you most of the stuff I recorded was for them and relayed down to the lounge. I don't remember recording much for me- I didn't watch much TV. After all, TV's were things to be played with and repaired rather then being watched!!
All the best
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 9:54 pm   #25
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I have a Sony AV3620 which uses the high density tape, I believe it runs at 9 inches per second and recording time is 60 minutes with a 7 inch reel. B&W only, skip field so on some TVs the picture flickers. But when working it's quite good.

Way back in 1993 I bought an Akai 1720L stereo reel to reel tape machine at the Enfield Autojumble for £13. Curiously the vendor insisted I took a bunch of Sony Helical Scan video tapes with the Akai. I'd seen those kind of tapes about 13 years previously as a friend's parents had a colour VTR, so knew what I was looking for. I kept the tapes "just in case".

By pure chance a few weeks later I was at the Notting Hill Music Exchange and they had a bunch of the Sony machines, all for about £20 each I think. I was with a friend who bought some speakers...so we lugged these two speakers and the Sony across London and to Hatfield where my dad picked me up at the station. He was quite dismissive, reckoning there was no chance of the Sony working.

I hooked up the "video out" connector to the composite input of a VCR and within seconds had the 1981 Wimbledon men's final in blushing B&W on screen. Other material on those tapes included Patrick Moore introducing the launch of Voyager II, a couple of Muppet Show episodes and some porn filmed from the screen of a 16mm projector (!!)

The machine is built like a tank. Last time I used it was about 2008, but I still have the machine.
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 11:25 am   #26
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That was a nice find: It's amazing what turns up at Enfield although these days it seems to be battered old TV's found in skips for eye watering prices!! I go there most years and enjoy a good look through the autojumble. I was first taken there when I was 10 years old!
I wonder what the difference is between the AV and CV ranges of machines? Your AV3620 looks very similar to the CV2100, I wonder if the tapes are compatible? I don't doubt it's just as heavy though so carting it from London on the train must have been fun
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 12:49 pm   #27
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I think the AV- machines were later and used the standard EAIJ recording format, the CV's were older and used their own format (?)

I have a couople of the AV- machines. One is tabletop, mains powered, the other a portable running of a lead-acid battery pack (which can still be rebuilt with standard Dryfit units) with a camera. The tiny CRT for the electronic viewfinder on that is beautiful.

Last year at the Cinema Museum swapmeet there was a seller with a box of VCR head drums etc. I jokingly said that they were too modern for me and what I wanted was a head beam for a Sony reel-to-reel unit. Anyway, I dug in the box and pulled out a long, thin polystryrene package with 'Sony' moulded onto it. Inside was a new head beam for the AV- series. Yes I bought it.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 12:44 pm   #28
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Yes I believe the AV machines are a little later and conform to EIAJ-1.

I've recently read that my machine may not use skip-field recording but I do remember it flickered horribly on one TV I tried it with. However horizontal resolution was better than VHS and I did think about using it to record B&W films.

On the machines at Notting Hill, there were different coloured symbols such as stars and circles stuck on the back next to various inputs/outputs. I have surmised that originally these machines were rented out with cameras and monitors, perhaps to schools or colleges, and the symbols allowed easy connections to be made by people who were not au fait with video technology.
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