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Old 15th Apr 2024, 1:56 pm   #1
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Good afternoon
I have just purchased an old 1940s HMV record Player
For some reason the motor refuses to turn
It has two capacitors as shown in the enclosed pic
I suspect they may be faulty
Has anyone had problems with these capacitors in the past and what value do they usually replace them with
Thanks very much
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 2:30 pm   #2
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One of my first experiences with vintage players! Those are the motor run caps, something like 3uF, change on sight. The mains lead will also need changing if it's that old rubber/cloth type.

The motor itself may well need partial disassembly and relubrication, and the rubber rim of the platter may be hardened.

more info in this thread
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 2:38 pm   #3
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Hi Ben
Thanks for your help
What will the 3uf caps working voltage be
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 4:17 pm   #4
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Here is a view of the complete record deck
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 4:41 pm   #5
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Hi Sharon, you can use motor run caps which may be expensive, or use X class caps that are usually wired across the mains for suppression purposes. Typically 275v AC rated

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Hi Ed what would be the best value for X class caps looking at a few on Ebay
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The same valve as previously fitted, which I believe one of the posters suggested may be about 3uF.
X caps are available at these values, but if you parallel 2, 1.5uf for each cap it may be more compact and cheaper

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Old 15th Apr 2024, 8:49 pm   #8
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Once you repair the motor, do noy try and force a normal sized needle into the PU arm. You will notice there is no screw to hold the needle. This model uses Columbia/HMV 99 play saphire tipped needles which are shorter and of a smaller diameter.

See:- https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...d.php?t=191927

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Old 16th Apr 2024, 1:51 pm   #9
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I have loads of Columbia "99" Needles
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Old 25th Apr 2024, 11:36 am   #10
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Good morning
Is there a service sheet / manual for this EMI Record deck
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Hi Sharon,

It looks like you have a model 2102 from your first photograph. The manual for this is available via the service data link in the top right-hand corner - see https://www.service-data.com/section.php/12593/1/2102
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Hi Laurence
Thanks very much
Just downloaded the Service Manual For HMV Record player.
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Just managed to drag my twin mains lead from the cupboard so I hope to get stuck into the HMV soon
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Here's the user instruction card, I had to recreate bits of it as it had been folded and the text was illegible at that point.
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Hi Ben
Thanks very much
Just downloaded it
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Well I have finally got round to checking the HMV Record Player
On plugging it in the motor finally works
Sadly however the Needle armature has had it
I will, therefore have to either to replace it or the entire pickup
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Try this guy who says he restores gramophone pick ups.
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Old 20th May 2024, 9:40 am   #18
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Thanks Michael
I have several Pickups that will do the job
In fact I have just ordered a Marconi Pickup No 14
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Old 20th May 2024, 3:09 pm   #19
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Found a broken pickup and used the Reed Plate from that one
That is now ok
However now the turntable is running slow so I'm going to change both the capacitors
One of the capacitors is burning
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Old 20th May 2024, 4:12 pm   #20
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I seem to remember a long time ago
I got one of those record decks in for service
On lifting the platter I noticed it didn't have any capacitors in
I can only imagine the motor had been replaced at some time
However the platter turned ok
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