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Old 19th Nov 2018, 7:42 pm   #81
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Yes Fred Hoyle is another good candidate. Wasn't A For Andromeda, where they built Julie Christie from computer code, one of his books?. The establishment didn't like him much either [well he did have a Yorkshire accent after all, plus his alternative cosmology created a big bang of an entirely different kind].

There is a similar "Hawking" attitude towards Brian Cox in some quarters but it all seems a bit churlish to me. I was never quite sure if there was jealousy re Hawkins fame and ability or just the women in his life Surely you can also be recognised for outstanding communication about science without having to be absolute top dog in Research or meeting somebody's definition

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Old 19th Nov 2018, 8:08 pm   #82
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Patents are highly controversial; so many US companies are trying to patent bits of human DNA they've connected with illnesses, and so potentially with their cures and $$$$. Most scientists outside the US think that these should be in the public domain. Also, I think patents are more engineers' territory than scientists.

Re Hawkin's celebrity dimension; quite difficult (impossible) to consider him without it.

Re Cox, well Ok, he's been minor pop star, he's tenured at Manchester and then gets paid megga bucks by the beeb, so only a modest amount of deep green envy necessary there.

Then it goes much too far when one day, on R4, he casually says "Oh, I was at Joni Mitchell's house one day...." what .

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Old 19th Nov 2018, 8:27 pm   #83
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...and maybe one seen more frequently than the 50.
We've got a scientist on our $100. You don't often see a Rutherford in real life!
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 8:45 pm   #84
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I'm waiting for an image of Fred Dibnah on a bank note. Pint in hand, smoking chimney toppling in the background and an evil wink.

Scientist, no. Quintessentially English, oh yes. Perhaps more deserving than many of the gong recipients.

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Old 19th Nov 2018, 8:50 pm   #85
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I'm waiting for an image of Fred Dibnah on a bank note. Pint in hand, smoking chimney toppling in the background and an evil wink. Scientist, no. Quintessentially English, oh yes. Perhaps more deserving than many of the gong recipients. David
YES! If they had Royalty in Lancashire...Fred. Cannot believe his TV stuff is not showing any more
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 7:45 am   #86
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I would argue that Turing was a mathematician, or maybe cryptologist, rather than scientist. A great thinker, but not a scientist. As for Hawking, far too much of a theorist and lets face it, quantum physics and the origin of the universe hasn't really done much for the life of mankind.
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 8:54 am   #87
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I would argue that Turing was a mathematician, or maybe cryptologist, rather than scientist. A great thinker, but not a scientist. As for Hawking, far too much of a theorist and lets face it, quantum physics and the origin of the universe hasn't really done much for the life of mankind.
OK, but remind me, have you got a proposal; 'fence sitting' not allowed on my thread .

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Old 20th Nov 2018, 4:29 pm   #88
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Like it!

My suggestion is Magnus Pike. In these days of plastic bank notes the image could be a hologram with his arms whirling wildly.
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 5:40 pm   #89
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Sir Charles Kuen Kao.

Known as the "Godfather of Broadband", the "Father of Fibre Optics", and the "Father of Fibre Optic Communications", Kao was awarded the 2009 Nobel Prize in Physics for "ground breaking achievements concerning the transmission of light in fibres for optical communication".
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OK, but remind me, have you got a proposal; 'fence sitting' not allowed on my thread
You will see that I proposed Maxwell right at the start of this thread.
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 9:44 pm   #91
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Sorry, I did look but missed it. I suspect that relatively few people will have heard of Maxwell and understand what he did. That leads me to the name of another great physicist, for whom the same would be true; Paul Dirac, Nobel Prize winner in 1933. Dirac holds a special place in my heart for his remark,

"The aim of science is to make difficult things understandable in a simpler way; the aim of poetry is to state simple things in an incomprehensible way. The two are incompatible."

This was prompted in response to Oppenheimer's fascination with poetry. I'm with Dirac!!!.

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A long Shortlist: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46343965
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In the Guardian today - a report that there is a significant movement to nominate Margaret Thatcher....! (She had a previous life as a chemist).
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 9:07 am   #94
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I heard that too. It won't happen - too controversial.
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Besides, what contribution to chemistry would it be celebrating?
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 3:57 pm   #97
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I've voted for Michael Faraday. A great scientist with great character who fought against adversity and the establishment to change our world for the better.
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Joseph Priestley?
William Harvey?

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I'm waiting for an image of Fred Dibnah on a bank note. Pint in hand, smoking chimney toppling in the background and an evil wink.

Scientist, no. Quintessentially English, oh yes. Perhaps more deserving than many of the gong recipients.

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Perhaps not a pure scientist David, and I can forgive him for being a Lancastrian!

But with you all the way especially as he knew the science behind the engineering and really understood the history and methods of the industrial revolution, which was based as much on scientific advancements as it was on engineering progress. He was so much more than a simple steeplejack and chimney demolisher.

And he had a wonderful knack of getting the message across without appearing to talk down to his audience. He'd have been a brilliant technology teacher in a different age (today).

My pennorth, after a bit of brain racking, I'll say Henry Bessemer for his development of steelmaking which involved a fair amount of knowledge of chemistry. Too much to go into here, stuff like the nature of refractories and their interaction with molten metals. His invention, the Bessemer converter lives on today in it's evolution into the modern Basic oxygen furnace which is the principal steel making method for non specialist steels these days. And without cheap, reliable steels our present society just couldn't exist.

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