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Old 26th May 2020, 10:57 pm   #41
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Default Re: Spirit of the forum, OT?

Lots of people with no previous interest in videocalling are now eager to do it, both for social and work reasons. It's hardly surprising that there's a webcam shortage.

Back on topic now please.
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Old 26th May 2020, 11:40 pm   #42
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If possible I would like to ask the mods for a longer timescale between posting a message to losing the option to edit it. I can often re-read my posts the following day and think a particular sentence needs re-writing, of there is an obvious spelling mistake, missed by spell checker etc.

Perhaps I am the only one that finds it a bit irksome but 18 hours would suit me. I appreciate that you do not want a post to be dramatically changed as following posts could be rendered obsolete.

As to the people that use this here forum, you users, yes you make it a good place to visit, offer advice when needed, tend not to be judgmental and some even have some good projects to follow.

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Old 27th May 2020, 12:16 am   #43
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I think keeping things as they are is a useful discipline, actually - too large an edit window either slows or blurs the evolution of the thread, and the odd typo, whilst maybe mildly irritating, is a small thing compared to some of the barely comprehensible stuff seen elsewhere.
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Old 27th May 2020, 12:23 am   #44
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People do raise the question of editing now and then. The problem is that there is no way of allowing people to make minor changes without also allowing them to make major ones. Obviously, if people start making big retrospective edits to their posts it would render threads nonsensical.

The mods will modify your old posts if you give them a good reason to do so. Just report the post by clicking on the red triangle to the bottom left of the post.
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Old 27th May 2020, 12:25 am   #45
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I think keeping things as they are is a useful discipline, actually - too large an edit window either slows or blurs the evolution of the thread, and the odd typo, whilst maybe mildly irritating, is a small thing compared to some of the barely comprehensible stuff seen elsewhere.
Perhaps the barely comprehensible stuff would get changed when reviewed by the poster after a little while, I just find (I was told 30 minutes) to be a bit short a time, but hey ho!

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Old 27th May 2020, 7:15 am   #46
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I think keeping things as they are is a useful discipline, actually - too large an edit window either slows or blurs the evolution of the thread, and the odd typo, whilst maybe mildly irritating, is a small thing compared to some of the barely comprehensible stuff seen elsewhere.
Perhaps the barely comprehensible stuff would get changed when reviewed by the poster after a little while, I just find (I was told 30 minutes) to be a bit short a time, but hey ho!

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When we speak of "barely comprehensible stuff we're not talking spelling mistakes, typos or lack of punctuation. We're talking stuff which makes no sense at all. The sort of post which you read over and over again trying to understand what it is the poster is attempting to convey. It's obvious to the moderators that some members don't bother to read their posts either before or after submitting them, so they're hardly likely to edit them.
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Old 27th May 2020, 9:01 am   #47
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When we speak of "barely comprehensible stuff we're not talking spelling mistakes, typos or lack of punctuation. We're talking stuff which makes no sense at all. The sort of post which you read over and over again trying to understand what it is the poster is attempting to convey. It's obvious to the moderators that some members don't bother to read their posts either before or after submitting them, so they're hardly likely to edit them.
If it is the case that people do not edit their posts, would a longer edit time actually be a problem to the forum?

Do not be concerned about it, I can see that the idea is not likely to proceed and this is going off the spirit of the forum topic.

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Old 27th May 2020, 9:05 am   #48
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I have to admit I would like the edit window to be somewhat extended. There is a Law (which I've just made up) which states that you will not see an obvious spelling mistake or logical error in what you have written, no matter how long you look at it, until a split-second after you hit 'submit' or 'send' or 'print'. I don't always notice them immediately, and then sometimes it's too late.
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Old 27th May 2020, 9:49 am   #49
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A couple of examples of why we don't allow a longer editing period:

  • Member A posts a request for help but misses out some important information such as the model number, or makes an obvious error.
  • Member B replies asking for the relevant information or clarification.
  • Member A edits the original post accordingly but does not post again to say they have done so.
  • Other members then point out to Member B that the information is in the post.
  • Member B says it wasn't when he replied.
  • Discussion about whether the post was edited or not etc.
  • Member A doesn't reply to clarify the situation.
  • Member B becomes upset or annoyed about the whole situation.

  • People in a thread are starting to get a bit frustrated, but nothing too bad.
  • Member X posts an angry response, possibly attacking another Member Y or their opinion.
  • Member Y responds angrily.
  • Member X edits their post to make it much calmer.
  • It now looks like Member Y started the outburst rather than Member X.

Situations like this have happened back when the edit window was much longer, on several occasions. We do not want the bad-feeling etc that goes with things like this, whether accidental as in the first example or intentional as in the second example. It is all part of trying to keep the forums a friendly welcoming place.

As Paul Sherwin said, just click the red triangle if you spot something in one of your posts that needs changing, and we will do so as long as it doesn't change the meaning of there are replies.

If you have just forgotten some information or need to correct some details it may be easier to just post again. We are all human and all make mistakes, nobody will be bothered about that.

If you use the Advanced Editor (click the Go Advanced button) you can preview your post and change it as much as you like before actually posting it. This is very useful when doing longer posts as it gives you a chance to read it back as it will appear on the forum rather than just reading it in the edit box (I used it for this one).

Anyway I think we have covered this aspect sufficiently now. Like everything there has to be a compromise and we go with what works best most of the time.
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Old 31st May 2020, 11:15 am   #50
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When I joined the Forum 12 years ago, after a long absence from Radio/Electronics, I was made most welcome by established members. Having taken up vintage radio pursuits as a retirement pastime, I was extremely grateful for loads of helpful advice about kitting out my wee workshop and commencing initial projects. This helpfulness and support was (and still is) to me - the "Spirit of the Forum". Hence, in more recent years, I've endeavoured to help & advise others.

Sadly, the helpfulness of the many has been abused and taken advantage of, at odd times over the years, by one or two mercenary "wheeler-dealer" types. I've also occasionally noted at times the "Ostrich" attitude of one or two folk, who despite reams of extremely helpful reply posts (and even dire warnings), continue to delve recklessly with their soldering irons into the innards of very expensive test equipment.

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Old 31st May 2020, 1:48 pm   #51
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Old 31st May 2020, 1:56 pm   #52
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I am particularly grateful for the 'gung-ho responsibility' on offer here. When all equipment, even the most innocuous of battery-powered gadgets comes with dire warnings of death and destruction if opened, it is heartening to have people here who grew up in the days when it was not unusual for a teenager to be experimenting with high valve voltages.

My grandfather built his own arc welder and altered the mains wiring in his parents' house as a boy, and I imagine members here have similar memories or personal experiences. We millennials can respond well to the help of the older generation when we're not told 'don't touch that', but 'when you do this, be careful of that'.

Since joining this forum I've got four or five pieces of test equipment working (simple faults, but beyond my ability to logically troubleshoot) to give me the bones of a workshop; and some wonderful help with my hi-fi. When I look back on my electronic understanding when I joined, the progress I've made is entirely due to the clarity of explanation of the members here; their generosity of spirit in spending their time typing answers to my novice queries and their suggestions of theory to read.

My soldering iron and I are thoroughly enjoying quarantine, and since the local beer shop is doing deliveries, I raise a glass to the UK Vintage Radio Repair Forum, and in particular Paul Stenning. Thank you.
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Old 31st May 2020, 4:36 pm   #53
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When I used to delve into the cavernous innards of jumble sale TVs (760 diodes!) my wife would alarmed for working with the back off pointing out the warning notices. In my sarcasm I'd say that servicing through the timber was a trick I hadn't as yet acquired.
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When I mentioned 'delve recklessly' it wasn't regarding voltage safety matters. If folk want to delve into old knackered tellies or cheapo wirelesses - doesn't bother me. The point I was trying to make, regarding the "Spirit of the Forum", was that certain items of T/Eq are now horrendously expensive, but despite helpful forum folk's advice - some inexperienced owners dive in with both feet. As though these items were just a clapped out cheapo telly or such.
This VRR&R Forum has a great selection of sub-sections. I would suggest that if someone is struggling to comprehend the complexities of a certain item &/or the reams of advice given in many posts - they should seriously consider using the "Restoration Offers" sub-section. Yep, it'll cost a few quid, but there are a handful of highly experienced & highly regarded VRR&R &/or BVWS folk who can save you a lot of heartache & expense.

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