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Old 11th Nov 2019, 12:18 am   #1
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Hi, this H&M 'Executive' transistorised model train controller has got a component that has me puzzled. Its the one in the pic with gold ends. In-circuit it measures 2400 Ohms approx, but the bands indicate it's a 2k one at 10%. Or is it? The bands' spacing is strange, and why has it got gold end caps when the other resistors are 'normal' ones. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Old 11th Nov 2019, 12:23 am   #2
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My first impression would be a capacitor.
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Old 11th Nov 2019, 12:44 am   #3
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For the avoidance of doubt, desolder one end and measure the resistance of this component only. You can never be sure what else you are measuring through unless you take the trouble to reverse engineer the circuit diagram.

Nominally, it looks like a 2K0 resistor but a 2K in-circuit with other paths potentially bypassing it should read 2K0 -or less-, never more, than the marked value.

With those metallic looking end caps it could even be a fuse (2A?) although if that was the case then it clearly would be faulty.

I take it this is a single channel controller, no similar part in the other channel(s) which you can take comparative measurements from?
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Thick film glazed resistor - https://books.google.com.au/books?id...20caps&f=false
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In the 1960s, Plessey made resistors that looked just like this. However, they were carbon composition types.
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ei7ka my vote is for the 2000ma fuse. regards pierce
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Old 11th Nov 2019, 5:24 pm   #7
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Wow! Thanks for all your thoughts! I'll desolder it and investigate further. Cheers All ��
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2.0 is an E24 value which would be 5% tolerance, not 10
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 1:32 pm   #9
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Hi, I was scratching my head over that one, till I read the thread from David G4EBT explaining the E numbers, and now it's all clear. So much to learn, so little time....
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In the 1960s, Plessey made resistors that looked just like this. However, they were carbon composition types.
Like this one in my 10 MOhm drawer.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 12:17 pm   #11
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Thank you One and All! This forum
really is a great resource when one becomes bamboozled and needs to seek advice from above.. (or, you lot!) you all contribute with your wealth and breadth of knowledge and experience. Terrific!
It turns out that it IS a resistor, and it measures 2430 Ohms so, if it IS 2k@5% then it is poorly and explains why, once I'd replaced a blown transistor, the controller is giving too much volts out when fully on. Trebles all round!
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If you reduce the resistance wont the voltage go up

Volts out on an H&M is normally up to 16v DC/AC for point motors and some light circuits. Hornby Dublo trains could take 24v, but the more normal trains have 12v DC as max.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 9:03 pm   #13
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While 20VAC was used for many of the pre-war Hornby "0" gauge electric trains, to the best of my knowledge, Hornby Dublo trains were only ever designed for 12VDC operation (apart from some export models that used 6VDC), with 16VAC for point motors and signals.
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