Pye Black Box 1004 original cartridge - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

Ekcoman · 16th Apr 2017, 5:51 pm

Just wondering if the cartridge in this Pye Black Box 1004 is the original cart. It looks to be the BSR Hi-Fli High (H) - orange which thought a bit of a high output for this player. My thinking an M (medium) would be have been the choice. It's been fully serviced by an engineer friend of mine and works fine so wondering if best left appreciating the issues with age of the cart and wear on discs.

Valvepower · 16th Apr 2017, 6:12 pm

Hello,

Don't know if it helps, but I recently did a restoration of a Transistor Black Box and I ended up using a BSR X3M, which gave the correct level and enabled the series loading control to work correctly.

Link to the thread about the transistor Black Box (post #18):

http://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/s...d.php?t=134546

Regards
Terry

Edward Huggins · 16th Apr 2017, 8:43 pm

The BSR TC8H is the wrong cartridge for your Black Box, it does not need one of such a high output as it will overload the amp and cause severe distortion.
You best bet is a BSR X5M still (just) available and it will play stereo LPs without causing damage. The removed BSR TC8H will have a high instrinsic value of around £50.00 and will overpay the cost of the X5M!

Ekcoman · 17th Apr 2017, 9:51 am

Have a few spare carts that might be more suitable a SONOTONE 20-T1, RONETTE 105 & TX 88. ?? Be still interested in which one was in there originally. Thanks for replies.

vidjoman · 17th Apr 2017, 10:21 am

According to Radiomuseum ---Transistorised Hi-Fi table record reproducer. Fitted with BSR type UA15 changer & Ronette TX88 cartridge.

Edward Huggins · 17th Apr 2017, 10:29 am

The Ronette 105 would also be suitable as it gives an output of 250mV, ideal to load your 1004. You would need to bridge the LH and RH channels, best done on the tag strip under the deck plate.

16th Apr 2017, 6:12 pm	#2
Valvepower Octode Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Rayleigh near Southend-On-Sea, Essex, UK. Posts: 1,883	Re: Pye Black Box 1004 original cartridge Hello, Don't know if it helps, but I recently did a restoration of a Transistor Black Box and I ended up using a BSR X3M, which gave the correct level and enabled the series loading control to work correctly. Link to the thread about the transistor Black Box (post #18): http://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/s...d.php?t=134546 Regards Terry

16th Apr 2017, 8:43 pm	#3
Edward Huggins Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Southwold, Suffolk, UK. Posts: 8,338	Re: Pye Black Box 1004 original cartridge The BSR TC8H is the wrong cartridge for your Black Box, it does not need one of such a high output as it will overload the amp and cause severe distortion. You best bet is a BSR X5M still (just) available and it will play stereo LPs without causing damage. The removed BSR TC8H will have a high instrinsic value of around £50.00 and will overpay the cost of the X5M! __________________ Edward.

17th Apr 2017, 9:51 am	#4
Ekcoman Heptode Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southend, Essex, UK Posts: 663	Re: Pye Black Box 1004 original cartridge Have a few spare carts that might be more suitable a SONOTONE 20-T1, RONETTE 105 & TX 88. ?? Be still interested in which one was in there originally. Thanks for replies. __________________ "I really am seriously downsizing "

17th Apr 2017, 10:21 am	#5
vidjoman Dekatron Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: East Sussex, UK. Posts: 3,326	Re: Pye Black Box 1004 original cartridge According to Radiomuseum ---Transistorised Hi-Fi table record reproducer. Fitted with BSR type UA15 changer & Ronette TX88 cartridge.

17th Apr 2017, 10:29 am	#6
Edward Huggins Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Southwold, Suffolk, UK. Posts: 8,338	Re: Pye Black Box 1004 original cartridge The Ronette 105 would also be suitable as it gives an output of 250mV, ideal to load your 1004. You would need to bridge the LH and RH channels, best done on the tag strip under the deck plate. __________________ Edward.

16th Apr 2017, 5:51 pm	#1
Ekcoman Heptode Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southend, Essex, UK Posts: 663	Pye Black Box 1004 original cartridge Just wondering if the cartridge in this Pye Black Box 1004 is the original cart. It looks to be the BSR Hi-Fli High (H) - orange which thought a bit of a high output for this player. My thinking an M (medium) would be have been the choice. It's been fully serviced by an engineer friend of mine and works fine so wondering if best left appreciating the issues with age of the cart and wear on discs. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "I really am seriously downsizing "