Name that Baird - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

Mikey405 · 13th Feb 2013, 9:17 pm

Hi everyone.

I wonder if anyone can recognise this Baird colour set? I've never seen one before. The ridge around the edge and the flutes in the cabinet look to me excitingly like a Philips single-standard G6, but the tuner buttons and the knobs look more like Thorn so it could well be a less-exciting 3000 / 3500.

Thanks everyone.

From Mike.
PS. Is that a pair of false-teeth on the top-right?

bobbyball · 13th Feb 2013, 9:54 pm

I would say it might be a Radio Rentals set fitted with the Thorn 3000 chassis.

We had one of about the same era years ago and the speaker grille was similarly "dinted". The controls were in a different place as I remember but the tuner buttons were in the same place...

Robert

Nicklyons2 · 13th Feb 2013, 10:06 pm

Looks as if it's a smaller screen size; is it 19" or is it 16" screen?

jayceebee · 13th Feb 2013, 10:14 pm

I'm not 100% certain but it looks like a 19" then it will be an 8742 fitted with the 8500 chassis, it's definitely a Thorn.

Nickthedentist · 13th Feb 2013, 10:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Mikey405

PS. Is that a pair of false-teeth on the top-right?

If you'd like my professional opinion, Mikey, it's not.

I think it's an ash-tray. So the chassis is probably yellow and gungy.

But I assume this is a vintage photo of a long-departed set.

Nick

Nicklyons2 · 13th Feb 2013, 10:22 pm

Yes Jaycee, that's the thought I had; and if it's 16" it could be the 8000 chasis with the 'upside down" tube

jayceebee · 13th Feb 2013, 10:34 pm

Definitely not an 8000, the 8500 19" came in two cabinet styles but shared the same model number. That one i'm fairly sure was the later style of 8742.

jayceebee · 13th Feb 2013, 10:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Nicklyons2

Yes Jaycee, that's the thought I had; and if it's 16" it could be the 8000 chasis with the 'upside down" tube

Apart from the 2000 and I think also the 9800 all Thorn delta CRT sets had the tubes blue gun down but the 17" 8000 although still blue gun down had the EHT connector at the top.

FERNSEH · 13th Feb 2013, 11:05 pm

Definitely a Thorn manufactured set made after 1970. The CRT does not look square enough to be an A56-120X. It could be a 22" set fitted with the A55-14W CRT, if that is the case it will be a 3000 series receiver.

DFWB.

jayceebee · 13th Feb 2013, 11:16 pm

I did think it was the oddball 22" A55-14X but the stand also gives a clue, the 3000 and 3500 chassis sets were much heavier so the stand legs were more substantial.

Focus Diode · 14th Feb 2013, 11:46 am

Interesting. The control layout may be unique to Radio Rentals/Baird. My grandparents had a 8000 series in the same style, but with a lighter cabinet. We had a 3000 series in the late '70s styled identically to the 8000 in question.

Pity we can't see the back of the set in the photo to see if it's a 3000 or 8000/8500 series!

Brian

Philips210 · 14th Feb 2013, 3:13 pm

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Originally Posted by FERNSEH

Definitely a Thorn manufactured set made after 1970. The CRT does not look square enough to be an A56-120X. It could be a 22" set fitted with the A55-14W CRT, if that is the case it will be a 3000 series receiver.

I agree, the CRT doesn't look square enough for an A56-120X (22") but also not quite round enough for a A49-120X (19"). It looks like the unique Mazda A55-14X (22") that BRC/Thorn used, so I think it must be a 3000 chassis.

Symon.

FERNSEH · 14th Feb 2013, 6:44 pm

I seem to remember that early versions of the A55-14X were coded with the old Mazda system as CTA2250. Actually, it's likely this CRT has an RCA equivalent and was used in American receivers.

DFWB.

jayceebee · 14th Feb 2013, 8:06 pm

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I agree, the CRT doesn't look square enough for an A56-120X (22") but also not quite round enough for a A49-120X (19"). It looks like the unique Mazda A55-14X (22") that BRC/Thorn used, so I think it must be a 3000 chassis.

Yes the CRT doesn't look quite right but look at the cabinet sides, bit of pincushion distortion there obviously an effect of the camera's lens.

That stand gives it away if it's original, they were only ever used with the 19" 8500's. I don't recall a stand for 17” models.

Philips210 · 14th Feb 2013, 9:06 pm

Hi jayceebee.

That's a very fair point, the concave looking sides would then straighten a curved tube such as the 19" thus making it look more straight. It certainly looks odd.

I wonder if Mikey405 has the answer.

Regards
Symon.

steve1010uk · 16th Feb 2013, 1:03 pm

I would say thats one of the very early 3000 receivers,
it just does not look right for a 8000 or 8500

jayceebee · 16th Feb 2013, 7:23 pm

May possibly be a 3000 but certainly not an early one as push through CRT's weren't available until later in production.

I hope Mikey can put us out our misery.

Heatercathodeshort · 16th Feb 2013, 8:13 pm

That tube looks far too square to be the Mazda version for the 3000. From memory the corners were more rounded. The tuner buttons scream 3000 but I reckon it's a con and it's fitted with the HMV 1807 chassis just to catch us all out! John.

jayceebee · 16th Feb 2013, 8:26 pm

If you look at the photo in post #1 you will see the cabinet has pincushion distortion

, obviously an effect of the camera's lens which I suspect is making the tube look squarer than it is.

Cue someone with Photoshop to add some raster correction.

Philips210 · 16th Feb 2013, 10:33 pm

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Originally Posted by jayceebee

Cue someone with Photoshop to add some raster correction.

Or raster distortion

13th Feb 2013, 9:54 pm	#2
bobbyball Octode Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stockport, Greater Manchester Posts: 1,214	Re: Name that Baird I would say it might be a Radio Rentals set fitted with the Thorn 3000 chassis. We had one of about the same era years ago and the speaker grille was similarly "dinted". The controls were in a different place as I remember but the tuner buttons were in the same place... Robert

13th Feb 2013, 10:06 pm	#3
Nicklyons2 Octode Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 1,517	Re: Name that Baird Looks as if it's a smaller screen size; is it 19" or is it 16" screen?

13th Feb 2013, 10:14 pm	#4
jayceebee Heptode Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Durham, County Durham, UK. Posts: 640	Re: Name that Baird I'm not 100% certain but it looks like a 19" then it will be an 8742 fitted with the 8500 chassis, it's definitely a Thorn. Last edited by jayceebee; 13th Feb 2013 at 10:19 pm.

13th Feb 2013, 10:22 pm	#6
Nicklyons2 Octode Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 1,517	Re: Name that Baird Yes Jaycee, that's the thought I had; and if it's 16" it could be the 8000 chasis with the 'upside down" tube

13th Feb 2013, 10:34 pm	#7
jayceebee Heptode Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Durham, County Durham, UK. Posts: 640	Re: Name that Baird Definitely not an 8000, the 8500 19" came in two cabinet styles but shared the same model number. That one i'm fairly sure was the later style of 8742.

13th Feb 2013, 9:17 pm	#1
Mikey405 Octode Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Solihull, West Midlands and Beaford, Devon Posts: 1,626	Name that Baird Hi everyone. I wonder if anyone can recognise this Baird colour set? I've never seen one before. The ridge around the edge and the flutes in the cabinet look to me excitingly like a Philips single-standard G6, but the tuner buttons and the knobs look more like Thorn so it could well be a less-exciting 3000 / 3500. Thanks everyone. From Mike. PS. Is that a pair of false-teeth on the top-right? Attached Thumbnails __________________ G7TRF

13th Feb 2013, 11:05 pm	#9
FERNSEH Dekatron Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 7,444	Re: Name that Baird Definitely a Thorn manufactured set made after 1970. The CRT does not look square enough to be an A56-120X. It could be a 22" set fitted with the A55-14W CRT, if that is the case it will be a 3000 series receiver. DFWB.

13th Feb 2013, 11:16 pm	#10
jayceebee Heptode Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Durham, County Durham, UK. Posts: 640	Re: Name that Baird I did think it was the oddball 22" A55-14X but the stand also gives a clue, the 3000 and 3500 chassis sets were much heavier so the stand legs were more substantial. Last edited by jayceebee; 13th Feb 2013 at 11:26 pm. Reason: Typo

14th Feb 2013, 11:46 am	#11
Focus Diode Octode Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Borough of Gateshead, UK. Posts: 1,420	Re: Name that Baird Interesting. The control layout may be unique to Radio Rentals/Baird. My grandparents had a 8000 series in the same style, but with a lighter cabinet. We had a 3000 series in the late '70s styled identically to the 8000 in question. Pity we can't see the back of the set in the photo to see if it's a 3000 or 8000/8500 series! Brian

14th Feb 2013, 6:44 pm	#13
FERNSEH Dekatron Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 7,444	Re: Name that Baird I seem to remember that early versions of the A55-14X were coded with the old Mazda system as CTA2250. Actually, it's likely this CRT has an RCA equivalent and was used in American receivers. DFWB.

14th Feb 2013, 9:06 pm	#15
Philips210 Nonode Join Date: May 2007 Location: Redruth, Cornwall, UK. Posts: 2,573	Re: Name that Baird Hi jayceebee. That's a very fair point, the concave looking sides would then straighten a curved tube such as the 19" thus making it look more straight. It certainly looks odd. I wonder if Mikey405 has the answer. Regards Symon.

16th Feb 2013, 1:03 pm	#16
steve1010uk Pentode Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: East Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 131	Re: Name that Baird I would say thats one of the very early 3000 receivers, it just does not look right for a 8000 or 8500

16th Feb 2013, 7:23 pm	#17
jayceebee Heptode Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Durham, County Durham, UK. Posts: 640	Re: Name that Baird May possibly be a 3000 but certainly not an early one as push through CRT's weren't available until later in production. I hope Mikey can put us out our misery.

16th Feb 2013, 8:13 pm	#18
Heatercathodeshort Dekatron Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Warnham, West Sussex. 10 miles south of DORKING. Posts: 9,147	Re: Name that Baird That tube looks far too square to be the Mazda version for the 3000. From memory the corners were more rounded. The tuner buttons scream 3000 but I reckon it's a con and it's fitted with the HMV 1807 chassis just to catch us all out! John.

16th Feb 2013, 8:26 pm	#19
jayceebee Heptode Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Durham, County Durham, UK. Posts: 640	Re: Name that Baird If you look at the photo in post #1 you will see the cabinet has pincushion distortion, obviously an effect of the camera's lens which I suspect is making the tube look squarer than it is. Cue someone with Photoshop to add some raster correction. Last edited by jayceebee; 16th Feb 2013 at 8:33 pm. Reason: Typo