Steepletone 5002D - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

AlanMK71 · 25th May 2020, 8:16 pm

Hello Everybody.
This is my first post on this site, I am a newbie.
I have just got a Steepletone 5002D, nothing seems to work on it.
I took of the back case, and had a look inside, to me I was surprised to see how clean it is.
I plugged her in and I got my electrical light stick to see if power is inside the player, and there is.
but now I am stuck.
I have no idea what to do now, the needle is also broken off.
is the any one out there who can help me.
would love to see it working again as I had one when I was only 14 years old, now 49.
thank you
Alan

Edward Huggins · 26th May 2020, 7:51 am

I'm not at all familiar with this record player - which I assume that's what it is. I deduce it's from 1985, so it may use a very late BSR deck and for these a stylus can usually be found. We will need external and, if possible, internal photos please. BTW, what's an "electrical light stick"?

Nickthedentist · 26th May 2020, 8:11 am

https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net...66&oe=5EF1FC74

AlanMK71 · 26th May 2020, 8:20 am

The inside

AlanMK71 · 26th May 2020, 8:29 am

These are some pictures of it.

AlanMK71 · 26th May 2020, 8:42 am

So I think their was two types made, looking at the speaker design it looks like mine is the earlier model.

Station X · 26th May 2020, 8:58 am

Obvious things first. Have you checked the fuse shown in your first picture? The brown wire of the mains lead is connected to it.

If you're going to get far with fixing this you're going to have to get a testmeter. These can be purchased from ScrweFix etc.

Edward Huggins · 26th May 2020, 9:11 am

Many thanks to the OP for these clear photos. We will also need to see a close up of the cartridge and of the broken stylus - does it have any markings on it like "SC11M"?

nicam49 · 26th May 2020, 9:51 am

Have you tried lifting the arm then gently moving it to the right to start the turntable spinning? Some units switch on like that.

Station X · 26th May 2020, 9:59 am

Yes. a switch can be seen in post #5 picture 3 and it looks like it's activated by the tone arm.

It also appears that the speed switch is set to the '0' position rather than 33 or 45. It is of course purely mechanical, moving the idler wheel to contact the correct step on the motor pulley.

ben · 26th May 2020, 11:09 am

This is the one that has flashing disco lights in the speakers, do you have them too? Be very careful about how you connect it up if not, as you can ruin other speakers if you connect them up wrongly. IIRC these have 8 pin DIN connectors (but it's been 30 years since I last saw one!)

Do as suggested above re: arm to power up and let us know if it comes on. And of course see the fuse.
I cannot recall what stylus it uses. A vague memory suggests it might have been a Tetrad or Sanyo N3C or Panasonic EPS14 - pics would help.

edit: just seen post 6, which confirms what I mentioned earlier. Just don't try connecting other speakers to it!

BRASSBITS · 26th May 2020, 11:56 am

the cartridge looks like one of the versions of a bsr sc7

AlanMK71 · 26th May 2020, 2:24 pm

WOW, I must what a fantastic response from all of you, this is the broken stylus.

Also what size fuse should be in the plug 13 Amp or 3 Amp?

Station X · 26th May 2020, 2:36 pm

3 Amp. The chances are the player's internal fuse is rated at a lower current than this. Check the label on the internal fuse.

AlanMK71 · 26th May 2020, 2:36 pm

This is the glass fuse inside the machine, what size is this ? I can see V250 I think but it also has some over writing too hard to see

Station X · 26th May 2020, 2:39 pm

One end says 250V the other end says S (Slow Blow) followed by 50 and another figure under the solder blob. Possibly 500mA (half an Amp).

AlanMK71 · 26th May 2020, 2:55 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Huggins

BTW, what's an "electrical light stick"?

A Voltage Detector. It flashes red and beeps when there is an electric current going though a wire. handy tool.

Station X · 26th May 2020, 2:57 pm

Is it sensitive enough to detect current in the yellow wires connecting the mains transformer secondary winding to the circuit board?

AC/HL · 26th May 2020, 3:06 pm

The table at the bottom of this page: https://www.slimlab.net/mirror/fusec...usecolours.htm
Seems to show a variation of the standard colour code, but that black band would mean 63mA?. 630mA would be a modern standard value.

DMcMahon · 26th May 2020, 3:51 pm

Been a long time since I have seen colour coded bands on 20mm glass fuses, good to see the website listing the colour codes.

But the website information does not make much sense with the fuse in question. It says the wide band (blue) is Normal rating, slow blow is listed as green ?

I am more familiar with the European fuse letter designations where T (German Trage) = slow blow.

500mA according to the website would be Green Black Brown.

I agree it most likely is 500mA but the colour codes just confuse in this case.

25th May 2020, 8:16 pm	#1
AlanMK71 Triode Join Date: May 2020 Location: Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, UK. Posts: 15	Steepletone 5002D Hello Everybody. This is my first post on this site, I am a newbie. I have just got a Steepletone 5002D, nothing seems to work on it. I took of the back case, and had a look inside, to me I was surprised to see how clean it is. I plugged her in and I got my electrical light stick to see if power is inside the player, and there is. but now I am stuck. I have no idea what to do now, the needle is also broken off. is the any one out there who can help me. would love to see it working again as I had one when I was only 14 years old, now 49. thank you Alan

26th May 2020, 7:51 am	#2
Edward Huggins Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Southwold, Suffolk, UK. Posts: 8,328	Re: Steepletone 5002D I'm not at all familiar with this record player - which I assume that's what it is. I deduce it's from 1985, so it may use a very late BSR deck and for these a stylus can usually be found. We will need external and, if possible, internal photos please. BTW, what's an "electrical light stick"? __________________ Edward.

26th May 2020, 8:11 am	#3
Nickthedentist Dekatron Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oxford, UK. Posts: 17,846	Re: Steepletone 5002D https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net...66&oe=5EF1FC74

26th May 2020, 8:20 am	#4
AlanMK71 Triode Join Date: May 2020 Location: Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, UK. Posts: 15	Re: Steepletone 5002D The inside Attached Thumbnails

26th May 2020, 8:42 am	#6
AlanMK71 Triode Join Date: May 2020 Location: Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, UK. Posts: 15	Re: Steepletone 5002D So I think their was two types made, looking at the speaker design it looks like mine is the earlier model. Attached Thumbnails

26th May 2020, 8:29 am	#5
AlanMK71 Triode Join Date: May 2020 Location: Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, UK. Posts: 15	Re: Steepletone 5002D These are some pictures of it. Attached Thumbnails

26th May 2020, 8:58 am	#7
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 21,288	Re: Steepletone 5002D Obvious things first. Have you checked the fuse shown in your first picture? The brown wire of the mains lead is connected to it. If you're going to get far with fixing this you're going to have to get a testmeter. These can be purchased from ScrweFix etc. __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Reach for your meter before you reach for your soldering iron.

26th May 2020, 9:11 am	#8
Edward Huggins Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Southwold, Suffolk, UK. Posts: 8,328	Re: Steepletone 5002D Many thanks to the OP for these clear photos. We will also need to see a close up of the cartridge and of the broken stylus - does it have any markings on it like "SC11M"? __________________ Edward.

26th May 2020, 9:51 am	#9
nicam49 Hexode Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Wigston, Leicester, UK. Posts: 350	Re: Steepletone 5002D Have you tried lifting the arm then gently moving it to the right to start the turntable spinning? Some units switch on like that.

26th May 2020, 9:59 am	#10
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 21,288	Re: Steepletone 5002D Yes. a switch can be seen in post #5 picture 3 and it looks like it's activated by the tone arm. It also appears that the speed switch is set to the '0' position rather than 33 or 45. It is of course purely mechanical, moving the idler wheel to contact the correct step on the motor pulley. __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Reach for your meter before you reach for your soldering iron.

26th May 2020, 11:09 am	#11
ben Dekatron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Madrid, Spain / Wirral, UK Posts: 7,498	Re: Steepletone 5002D This is the one that has flashing disco lights in the speakers, do you have them too? Be very careful about how you connect it up if not, as you can ruin other speakers if you connect them up wrongly. IIRC these have 8 pin DIN connectors (but it's been 30 years since I last saw one!) Do as suggested above re: arm to power up and let us know if it comes on. And of course see the fuse. I cannot recall what stylus it uses. A vague memory suggests it might have been a Tetrad or Sanyo N3C or Panasonic EPS14 - pics would help. edit: just seen post 6, which confirms what I mentioned earlier. Just don't try connecting other speakers to it! __________________ Regards, Ben. Last edited by ben; 26th May 2020 at 11:17 am.

26th May 2020, 11:56 am	#12
BRASSBITS Hexode Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Sheffield, South Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 364	Re: Steepletone 5002D the cartridge looks like one of the versions of a bsr sc7

26th May 2020, 2:24 pm	#13
AlanMK71 Triode Join Date: May 2020 Location: Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, UK. Posts: 15	WOW, I must what a fantastic response from all of you, this is the broken stylus. Also what size fuse should be in the plug 13 Amp or 3 Amp? Attached Thumbnails

26th May 2020, 2:36 pm	#14
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 21,288	Re: Steepletone 5002D 3 Amp. The chances are the player's internal fuse is rated at a lower current than this. Check the label on the internal fuse. __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Reach for your meter before you reach for your soldering iron.

26th May 2020, 2:36 pm	#15
AlanMK71 Triode Join Date: May 2020 Location: Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, UK. Posts: 15	Re: Steepletone 5002D This is the glass fuse inside the machine, what size is this ? I can see V250 I think but it also has some over writing too hard to see Attached Thumbnails

26th May 2020, 2:39 pm	#16
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 21,288	Re: Steepletone 5002D One end says 250V the other end says S (Slow Blow) followed by 50 and another figure under the solder blob. Possibly 500mA (half an Amp). __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Reach for your meter before you reach for your soldering iron.

26th May 2020, 2:57 pm	#18
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 21,288	Re: Steepletone 5002D Is it sensitive enough to detect current in the yellow wires connecting the mains transformer secondary winding to the circuit board? __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Reach for your meter before you reach for your soldering iron.

26th May 2020, 3:06 pm	#19
AC/HL Dekatron Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Heckmondwike, West Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 9,642	Re: Steepletone 5002D The table at the bottom of this page: https://www.slimlab.net/mirror/fusec...usecolours.htm Seems to show a variation of the standard colour code, but that black band would mean 63mA?. 630mA would be a modern standard value.

26th May 2020, 3:51 pm	#20
DMcMahon Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Worthing, West Sussex, UK. Posts: 6,603	Re: Steepletone 5002D Been a long time since I have seen colour coded bands on 20mm glass fuses, good to see the website listing the colour codes. But the website information does not make much sense with the fuse in question. It says the wide band (blue) is Normal rating, slow blow is listed as green ? I am more familiar with the European fuse letter designations where T (German Trage) = slow blow. 500mA according to the website would be Green Black Brown. I agree it most likely is 500mA but the colour codes just confuse in this case.