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toshiba tony · 23rd Oct 2019, 10:20 am

Hello. Been in the tv game all my adult life, started off when the Bush Tv125 was in full production but I have a silly question. The stories you hear about people crowding round a nine inch Bush. Was this the Tv22? Been bugging me for months. Thanks, anyone.

Peter.N. · 23rd Oct 2019, 10:33 am

Most likely or the TV12, the TRF version. There were many 9 inch sets about when I started in 1954, Pye made several back as far as 1948, the Bush TV1 was a 9" console. Can't remember the others off hand. There is a 9" Pye console in the entrance hall of Beamish museum at present - if you ever go that way

Peter

Edward Huggins · 23rd Oct 2019, 11:29 am

Crowding round a giant sized 9" TV eh!
Well, not quite so easy with what we had - a VCR97 CRT fronted by an oil filled magnifier....

toshiba tony · 23rd Oct 2019, 4:10 pm

Thanks both, incidentally, what size was the TV22?

Nuvistor · 23rd Oct 2019, 4:24 pm

TV22 9 inch, TV24 12inch.

toshiba tony · 23rd Oct 2019, 11:54 pm

Thanks All, Eee, wi worrall huddled rarned a 9 inch bush, now it's so blatantly clear. My attempt at Yorkshire twang!

John123 · 24th Oct 2019, 12:57 am

Adjustable tuning? What kind of sorcery is this? It'll never catch on!

Peter.N. · 24th Oct 2019, 9:55 am

Was your VCR97 a green or white one Edward? There was also the VCR138A? which was about 3", I started building a set with one but never finished it, someone gave me a partially built 9" Denco kit, I did finish that one - and it worked!

Peter

Peter.N. · 24th Oct 2019, 9:58 am

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Originally Posted by John123

Adjustable tuning? What kind of sorcery is this? It'll never catch on!

I remember when the VT4 came out, I was dying to get inside the tuner to see how it worked but there was a label on it to the effect that removing the cover would invalidate the guarantee.

Peter

M0FYA Andy · 24th Oct 2019, 10:12 am

I've never heard of a VCR97 displaying anything but a green trace.

Andy

Dual Standard · 24th Oct 2019, 12:06 pm

I too am sure that all VCR97s were green, however their were several versions of the VCR517 which is more or less pin compatible but with different phosphors, from memory it was the VCR517C that had a bluish/white phosphor so was often chosen for TV use. As always there is a catch, the VCR517 really needed a higher EHT which in turn necessitated more drive from the timebases so those EF50s had to work rather harder, but hey, they were cheap & plentiful.

Mike

Peter.N. · 25th Oct 2019, 10:30 am

I have seen what looked like a VCR97 displaying a white picture, but maybe it was the 517 don't think I have ever seen one of those.

I think most of the EF50's in the '50's were VR91's

Peter

beery · 25th Oct 2019, 8:49 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by toshiba tony

Hello. Been in the tv game all my adult life, started off when the Bush Tv125 was in full production but I have a silly question. The stories you hear about people crowding round a nine inch Bush. Was this the Tv22? Been bugging me for months. Thanks, anyone.

I've heard of people crowding around little sets to watch this...

Cheers
Andy

Heatercathodeshort · 26th Oct 2019, 11:31 am

It may be a case of 'crowding around the Dansette record player' when it was actually a Fidelity. John.

23rd Oct 2019, 10:20 am	#1
toshiba tony Heptode Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accrington, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 978	Old query Hello. Been in the tv game all my adult life, started off when the Bush Tv125 was in full production but I have a silly question. The stories you hear about people crowding round a nine inch Bush. Was this the Tv22? Been bugging me for months. Thanks, anyone.

23rd Oct 2019, 10:33 am	#2
Peter.N. Dekatron Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Charmouth, Dorset, UK. Posts: 3,601	Re: Old query Most likely or the TV12, the TRF version. There were many 9 inch sets about when I started in 1954, Pye made several back as far as 1948, the Bush TV1 was a 9" console. Can't remember the others off hand. There is a 9" Pye console in the entrance hall of Beamish museum at present - if you ever go that way Peter

23rd Oct 2019, 11:29 am	#3
Edward Huggins Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Southwold, Suffolk, UK. Posts: 8,327	Re: Old query Crowding round a giant sized 9" TV eh! Well, not quite so easy with what we had - a VCR97 CRT fronted by an oil filled magnifier.... __________________ Edward.

23rd Oct 2019, 4:10 pm	#4
toshiba tony Heptode Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accrington, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 978	Re: Old query Thanks both, incidentally, what size was the TV22?

23rd Oct 2019, 4:24 pm	#5
Nuvistor Dekatron Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Wigan, Greater Manchester, UK. Posts: 9,433	Re: Old query TV22 9 inch, TV24 12inch. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Frank

23rd Oct 2019, 11:54 pm	#6
toshiba tony Heptode Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accrington, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 978	Re: Old query Thanks All, Eee, wi worrall huddled rarned a 9 inch bush, now it's so blatantly clear. My attempt at Yorkshire twang!

24th Oct 2019, 12:57 am	#7
John123 Heptode Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Luton, Bedfordshire, UK. Posts: 891	Re: Old query Adjustable tuning? What kind of sorcery is this? It'll never catch on! __________________ Regards, John

24th Oct 2019, 9:55 am	#8
Peter.N. Dekatron Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Charmouth, Dorset, UK. Posts: 3,601	Re: Old query Was your VCR97 a green or white one Edward? There was also the VCR138A? which was about 3", I started building a set with one but never finished it, someone gave me a partially built 9" Denco kit, I did finish that one - and it worked! Peter

24th Oct 2019, 10:12 am	#10
M0FYA Andy Nonode Join Date: May 2007 Location: Preston, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 2,511	Re: Old query I've never heard of a VCR97 displaying anything but a green trace. Andy

24th Oct 2019, 12:06 pm	#11
Dual Standard Hexode Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Cheshire, UK. Posts: 263	Re: Old query I too am sure that all VCR97s were green, however their were several versions of the VCR517 which is more or less pin compatible but with different phosphors, from memory it was the VCR517C that had a bluish/white phosphor so was often chosen for TV use. As always there is a catch, the VCR517 really needed a higher EHT which in turn necessitated more drive from the timebases so those EF50s had to work rather harder, but hey, they were cheap & plentiful. Mike

25th Oct 2019, 10:30 am	#12
Peter.N. Dekatron Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Charmouth, Dorset, UK. Posts: 3,601	Re: Old query I have seen what looked like a VCR97 displaying a white picture, but maybe it was the 517 don't think I have ever seen one of those. I think most of the EF50's in the '50's were VR91's Peter

26th Oct 2019, 11:31 am	#14
Heatercathodeshort Dekatron Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Warnham, West Sussex. 10 miles south of DORKING. Posts: 9,147	Re: Old query It may be a case of 'crowding around the Dansette record player' when it was actually a Fidelity. John.