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Old 25th Mar 2023, 11:40 am   #1
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Good morning, just purchased one of these, identical to family one of 1964.
I am missing a handbook. Would anyone have a scanned copy that they would be kind enough to share please?

I am going to change the stylus-is it worthwhile getting the whole cartridge new , as I see these are also available at Get the needle?

Any insights on the life of the stylus-is it c.6-80 hours?

Many thanks for any other insights
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 1:43 pm   #2
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The "Butterfly" cartridge fitted to these is rather unique. The price of the new one you refer to is very expensive (85). Even the stylus is dear at 23.50.
Are you sure that the cartridge needs replacing? If not, wait until it does and replace it with another ceramic one which will give decent performance at a much lower price.
The life of the stylus will depend partly on the condition of the records. A diamond one should give you 100+ hours.

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Old 25th Mar 2023, 2:28 pm   #3
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More to the, er, point - does the stylus really need replacing? Have you examined it under a, say, X12 glass. Also, it's just not that simple to replace the cartridge with a "chinese red cheapo". There is no adjustment for tracking weight. The BSR UA15 based arm was designed exclusively for the Butterfly cartridge and so is not the standard fitting - and you might find the alternative cartridge does not match the input requirements of the 1005's amplifier. These record players are quirky and unique!
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 5:57 pm   #4
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Dear Chris and Edward,

many thanks for your prompt replies

I was assuming the stylus has never been replaced and I know it has been used extensively, but well cared for. I thought it worthwhile starting with a new one

I hadn't realised there might be an issue with generic low cost low quality replacements-have you any recommendations as to how I can ensure quality replacements please.

I see 'Get the needle' has them as 'new unused generic replacement stylus', with their name on it. Do you have any views please

Many thanks for any further help you may be able to give

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Old 25th Mar 2023, 6:15 pm   #5
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Edward is quite correct. The arm was designed specifically for use with this cartridge which "floats" in its mounting. The tracking weight was preset by the manufacturer and is stated as being 2.25 t0 2.75 grams. There is a small amount of adjustment at the rear of the arm, which is done by slackening the securing screws before moving the counter weight to achieve this. The arm is mounted on rubber bushes and it is important not to raise it higher than its normal operating height.
This is a very light stylus force for the UA15 and it is not unknown to have tracking problems due to friction in the the arm bearing. It is important therefore to ensure that the deck is kept in good order.

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Old 25th Mar 2023, 7:34 pm   #6
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If you haven't found them already these two documents might be of interest.

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File Type: pdf Pye 1005 Service Supplement.pdf (567.0 KB, 39 views)
File Type: pdf Pye Achoic Brochure.pdf (3.89 MB, 41 views)
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 12:19 pm   #7
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On reading the OP's Post#4 can we now assume that the cartridge is OK and the only remaining query is the stylus. If so, I would carefully search out the availablity of the Pye Butterfly Stereo Stylus from Musonic, Needles and Spins, Mantra Audio and Tonar - if they have them is stock. These are almost unobtanium and so if you find none to compare with, then go with the one you have found. The price at 23-50 is fair. These are tricky to fit, so make notes/diagrams of how you dismantle the old stylus. Nothing about this record player is easy!
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 7:46 pm   #8
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Dear Chris, Alan and Edward,
Many thanks.

I am still looking for the handbook that came with the player , if anyone has access

Due to your comments, my wish to replace the stylus and the need to adjust where the arm comes down on the vinyl (currently 10 seconds into the music), I think I would prefer to get some help.

I am Bucks based, easily commutable to Reading, Oxford and W London etc. Is it appropriate to ask if anyone might know where I can go to find these skills please?
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Old 27th Mar 2023, 9:07 am   #9
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You can adjust the tone arm set-down position yourself. On the "standard" BSR UA15, there is a small screw facing you just where the tone arm hinges when you lift the arm up. It should also be there on yours. You will only need a very small adjustment to the left or right.
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Old 31st Mar 2023, 7:44 am   #10
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Edward,

many thanks for your 4 recommendations on trying to source the stylus, each now being followed up, but -as you say, this is looking rare.

Mantra have one but they say this is LP/78 with a tracking wt of 4.0gms whereas the red top on the arm is SO/LP and you have already indicated a tracking wt of 2.25-2.75.

Do you think this is a different one? (I have no interests in 78s)

Much appreciate any input.

By chance, would you have a photocopy of the handbook [ls for the Type 1005?

many thanks
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Old 31st Mar 2023, 11:20 am   #11
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Are you sure the Mantra one is for LP and 78? The arm will not track at 4 grms as its downweight is set at c.2.5 grams.
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Old 31st Mar 2023, 11:50 am   #12
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Dear Edward,

Further to my post above, I have just spoken to Phil at Musonic. He checked and has confirmed there was an error on the website and the tracking weight was as you had suggested.
He informs me the diamond tips should be good for 400-600 hours on the LP.
All ordered, so I much appreciate your sound advice and wise counsel

All i need now is a copy of the original red/white handbook, still looking...
Many thanks, very grateful
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Old 1st Apr 2023, 5:02 pm   #13
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Dear Edward,

May I ask you another question please?
I have found a post of yours dating back to 2015 in reply to a thread of David Fanning, which, in part says "The cartridge arrangement was unique to this player. It was fitted to a BSR UA15 turntable with a tone arm specially modified for us. The purpose of the little red knob was to turn the stlyus from Mono to Stereo as it was never envisaged that this player would be used for 78's."

I know the little red button is marked (my replacement )'LP/SO'. The stylus I have bought from Musonic is a pair of diamond tips on both ends, for LPs.

I have separately heard from another seller, who has sold many of them as follows "As far as I know, these styluses were all made with a 78 tip on one side and an LP tip the other. Certainly the two I have left both that type.One is diamond and sapphire and the other is sapphire and sapphire."
Can you enlighten me-what is the role of the red button but to switch between the stylis-one for 78s and the other LPs? I presume one just needs to assign the 78 stylus to either LP or SO?
I see you mention the turntable was never designed for 78s, but that speed is one of the options.
Or am I missing something else?
Any help would be gratefully received, if you are still willing
With grateful thanks
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Old 2nd Apr 2023, 11:11 am   #14
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Now I should know the answer as this unit was never envisioned to be used for 78s. Even so, there may be a Stereo LP/78 aftermarket option. The red button swings the stylus from LP to SO. From memory the LP tip was diamond for Stereo LPs and the SO tip was sapphire Mono LPs.
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