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7th Sep 2019, 6:38 pm | #21 |
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Re: MFJ Dummyload faulty?
Yes, it is 1.1:1 at 100W. I couldn't decipher that too. At 60 ohms, I would have thought SWR would be higher.
But then my meters, are they accurate? I am not sure They are vintage meters but sturdy well made heavy ones. OSKER SWR-200 I have two of them, and they were reading the same SWR and same power output. |
7th Sep 2019, 6:54 pm | #22 |
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Re: MFJ Dummyload faulty?
And there lies another story - you are looking at one frequency with some other factors thrown in - some the meter in use, some your connecting leads and then the TX is not a 50 Ohms source anyway.
MFJ and all the rest are fulfilling a need in the market. I just wish they would use larger boxes for their ATUs compared to the inductor diameters. |
7th Sep 2019, 7:00 pm | #23 |
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Re: MFJ Dummyload faulty?
MFJ was at one time said to stand for "Mighty Fine Junk".
I suspect your dummy-load may have been overcooked at some time. At junk-sales/hamfests/rallies you come across Heath "Cantenna" dummy-loads - oil-cooled beasties built into what looks like a paint-can. These were designed for the US market where Kilowatt-capable ham radio stations were commonplace - so Cantennas can take quite a thrashing. https://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/13123 My dummy-load-of-choice when I was designing juicy RF-stuff was a big grey-finned beastie about the size of a large load-of-bread, by "Aspen Electronics" - you occasionally see these at rallies etc and they still sell for 3-figure sums. |
7th Sep 2019, 7:07 pm | #24 |
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Re: MFJ Dummyload faulty?
The grey one that looked like a radiator for your house?
I think Bird made that...but Aspen were their agents. Just spotted you said loaf of bread... too small. Last edited by Jon_G4MDC; 7th Sep 2019 at 7:17 pm. |
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Re: MFJ Dummyload faulty?
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Also, shunting the bad dummy load relies on the value of that dummy load being stable. If it's been overcooked, then that might be a problem. A changing load could cause a lot of confusion sometime in the future. David
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7th Sep 2019, 7:34 pm | #26 |
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Re: MFJ Dummyload faulty?
Mine wasn't the "heater radiator" type, it was more like the Bird 8135. It would take two-tone SSB to 1Kw for 30 seconds or so. I remember having two fan-heaters-set-to-cold-blow to cool it when doing intermodulation tests.
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7th Sep 2019, 8:31 pm | #27 |
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Re: MFJ Dummyload faulty?
Yes OK - I think the 8135 could have a meter head fitted at the front which was my most common encounter of it.
Most Bird stuff was no good for IM testing below the -30dBc or so of SSB specs. I used to hold them off by long reels of RG214 until they would not generate. Intermodulation testing can have a thread of its own. Or a book. Last edited by Jon_G4MDC; 7th Sep 2019 at 8:43 pm. |
9th Sep 2019, 10:00 am | #28 |
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Re: MFJ Dummyload faulty?
I ordered another dummyload MFJ 264. It is 1.5Kw rated, but I will never have occasion to use that power ever. Maximum 100W would be my usage for the dummyloads.
Hopefully it will have good spec not too far way from 50 ohms unlike the cursed MFJ 265B. No, I am not a dummyload collector. |
10th Sep 2019, 11:06 am | #29 |
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11th Sep 2019, 7:55 am | #30 |
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11th Sep 2019, 4:34 pm | #31 |
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Re: MFJ Dummyload faulty?
MFJ 264 arrived, and it is measuring 50.1 ohms.
Metal casing is substantially larger than the 260B, and well within spec. and 1.5 Kw rated. It seems more trusty and dependable dummy load, although more expensive. |
19th Oct 2019, 3:38 am | #32 |
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19th Oct 2019, 4:04 am | #33 |
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Re: MFJ Dummyload faulty?
I think that MFJ gear is built down to a price. I own a 948 tuner, and the build quality is not very good. I've been over quite a lot of the joints and re-soldered them. Like other "budget" brands, I suspect that the build quality is very variable, so one 948 tuner or dummy load might be pretty much okay as it leaves the factory, while another might be not at all OK . All that being so, the ATU's do seem to have reasonably good reputation and anything better will certainly come at a significantly higher price.
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19th Oct 2019, 10:41 am | #34 |
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Re: MFJ Dummyload faulty?
A major error in the MFJ antenna tuner is the inductor rotary switch uses a break before
make wafer, encouraging arcing. I have repaired these with a make before break type. |
19th Oct 2019, 11:14 am | #35 |
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Re: MFJ Dummyload faulty?
yup, I had a few MFJ ATUs and Antenna switches, and they feel a bit flimsy in build quality, but they work.
But when I open them up and see inside, I feel always that I paid too much for them. 20 - 30 year ago, they used to be real cheap, about 25-30 percent of the MIJ products, but now they are even more expensive than MIJ products. It must be to do with the exchange rate of pounds vs. usd. But still they seem sell like hot cakes. |