HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 (actually 2208) - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

Spike47 · 29th Mar 2021, 4:03 pm

Hi
Have just come into possesion of a HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210, juyst cleaning it , it does work albeit low vollume ( But the tape may be crap) noticed a Cap with one of its lead come away, ook it out, not sure if it is worth trying to resolder a lead back onto it, it is bulging out a bit at the bottom ( or it could be the rubber perishing or whatever it is that is sealing it with ).
So the question is what will be a modern equivelent if any to this Cap .

Make: CCL 4540uf - 35v dc. WKG.vF58/$ H6 .
PS: Have charged it with a diode test and it holds about 0.9v and slowly comes downwhen tested with DC meter ! .

Spike

paulsherwin · 29th Mar 2021, 4:07 pm

That is a 450uF 35V electrolytic capacitor. The nearest modern value is 470uF. Any replacement should be rated at 35V or higher.

Spike47 · 29th Mar 2021, 4:14 pm

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Originally Posted by paulsherwin

That is a 450uF 35V electrolytic capacitor. The nearest modern value is 470uF. Any replacement should be rated at 35V or higher.

Tks for that , do I take it that the top taping is Neg ! .

Spike

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulsherwin

That is a 450uF 35V electrolytic capacitor. The nearest modern value is 470uF. Any replacement should be rated at 35V or higher.

Have a 470uf 200v, will that do ? .

Spike

Spike47 · 29th Mar 2021, 5:50 pm

Fit the new Cap, now it doesn't work at all, it worked with the old Cap with a terminal not connected, but not after puting a new Cap in, did not hear anything blown, is there an on board fuse on these machines, had a look and I can't see anything obvious.

cheers
Spike

Spike47 · 29th Mar 2021, 8:41 pm

Now working ok with new Cap, forgot to put the Voltage selector back in !

dazzlevision · 29th Mar 2021, 9:10 pm

Mods - the model number is actually 2208 (according to the OP's photo), not 2210 - perhaps a change to the thread title?

The two 450uF capacitors are in the two solenoid circuits (remote pause and end-of-tape stop foil contact).

The HMV 2208 uses the Thorn DC43 tape deck (mechanical part) and is a three speed, four track model.

Unless it has been serviced recently, you may well find that the rubber idler wheel that transmits the motor pulley drive to the capstan flywheel, doesn't move freely, due to hardened grease in its swivel arm bearing.

Michael Maurice · 29th Mar 2021, 10:39 pm

I personally would have fitted a capacitor with a much lower working voltage, say 35 or 50V

paulsherwin · 29th Mar 2021, 11:07 pm

If the OP has the 200V capacitor to hand, it won't do any harm.

Ted Kendall · 30th Mar 2021, 8:09 am

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Originally Posted by Spike47

Now working ok with new Cap, forgot to put the Voltage selector back in !

Finger trouble - the universal curse!

dazzlevision · 30th Mar 2021, 8:45 am

If it hasn't already been replaced with a modern component, I recommend you replace the "Hunts" (the manufacturer) 0.003uF 300Vac capacitor connected across the audio output transformer's primary winding - as per the photo. If the original type is still fitted (it might be a brown colour, but with the same markings), it will almost certainly have become more of a resistor.

Spike47 · 9th Apr 2021, 5:12 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazzlevision

Mods - the model number is actually 2208 (according to the OP's photo), not 2210 - perhaps a change to the thread title?

The two 450uF capacitors are in the two solenoid circuits (remote pause and end-of-tape stop foil contact).

The HMV 2208 uses the Thorn DC43 tape deck (mechanical part) and is a three speed, four track model.

Unless it has been serviced recently, you may well find that the rubber idler wheel that transmits the motor pulley drive to the capstan flywheel, doesn't move freely, due to hardened grease in its swivel arm bearing.

Hi
Sorry for late reply, I work away.
Thanks for your reply, it all seems to work mechanical fine, have give it all a blow off and a clean and applied some silicone grease where needed .
Only problem I can ( Hear) is the vollume is quite low, now I don't know if the old tape is much good !.

Cheers
Spike
cheers
Spike

Spike47 · 9th Apr 2021, 5:14 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazzlevision

If it hasn't already been replaced with a modern component, I recommend you replace the "Hunts" (the manufacturer) 0.003uF 300Vac capacitor connected across the audio output transformer's primary winding - as per the photo. If the original type is still fitted (it might be a brown colour, but with the same markings), it will almost certainly have become more of a resistor.

Hi
Thanks for that, sorry for late reply, the sound is not very good , would that have an effect on that ?.

cheers
Spike

dazzlevision · 9th Apr 2021, 5:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Spike47

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazzlevision

If it hasn't already been replaced with a modern component, I recommend you replace the "Hunts" (the manufacturer) 0.003uF 300Vac capacitor connected across the audio output transformer's primary winding - as per the photo. If the original type is still fitted (it might be a brown colour, but with the same markings), it will almost certainly have become more of a resistor.

Hi
Thanks for that, sorry for late reply, the sound is not very good , would that have an effect on that ?.

cheers
Spike

Yes, this capacitor could reduce the playback volume and you really should replace it. You should use a modern 3.3nF (= 0.0033uF) 1000V dc working plastic film type.

Other possible causes:

Tape is the wrong way round (i.e. the magnetic coating side is not facing the record/playback head).
The felt pressure pad that should hold the tape pressed against the record/playback head is missing.
There could be another fault in the electronics.

If you remove the cover over the heads/pinchroller, you’ll see two screened leads going to the record/play head. Select playback and pause. With volume at maximum, you should hear a loud hum/buzz if you touch the inner wire (i.e. not the outer screen/braid). Depending upon which track you select, this will be either the top connection or the lower one - try both tracks.

Spike47 · 9th Apr 2021, 6:16 pm

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Originally Posted by dazzlevision

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike47

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazzlevision

If it hasn't already been replaced with a modern component, I recommend you replace the "Hunts" (the manufacturer) 0.003uF 300Vac capacitor connected across the audio output transformer's primary winding - as per the photo. If the original type is still fitted (it might be a brown colour, but with the same markings), it will almost certainly have become more of a resistor.

Hi
Thanks for that, sorry for late reply, the sound is not very good , would that have an effect on that ?.

cheers
Spike

Yes, this capacitor could reduce the playback volume and you really should replace it. You should use a modern 3.3nF (= 0.0033uF) 1000V dc working plastic film type.

Other possible causes:

Tape is the wrong way round (i.e. the magnetic coating side is not facing the record/playback head).
The felt pressure pad that should hold the tape pressed against the record/playback head is missing.
There could be another fault in the electronics.

If you remove the cover over the heads/pinchroller, you’ll see two screened leads going to the record/play head. Select playback and pause. With volume at maximum, you should hear a loud hum/buzz if you touch the inner wire (i.e. not the outer screen/braid). Depending upon which track you select, this will be either the top connection or the lower one - try both tracks.

Thanks for that

Spike47 · 9th Apr 2021, 6:34 pm

Would this do .0.0033uF 500V Hunts Capacitors 3.3nF Axial Vintage0.0033uF

Spike47 · 9th Apr 2021, 6:40 pm

Is it non-Polorised ?

Spike47 · 9th Apr 2021, 6:48 pm

or this :3.3nf 0.0033uF 0.0033µF 5% 630v axial metallized poly capacitor cap .

Spike47 · 9th Apr 2021, 6:52 pm

Or this : Epcos Capacitor, Y2, 3.3Nf, 300V

Spike47 · 9th Apr 2021, 7:11 pm

Here is some more pics of the HMV 2208

DMcMahon · 9th Apr 2021, 7:36 pm

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Originally Posted by Spike47

Is it non-Polorised ?

Yes it is non polarised.

David

29th Mar 2021, 4:03 pm	#1
Spike47 Triode Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Cleveland, North Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 32	HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 (actually 2208) Hi Have just come into possesion of a HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210, juyst cleaning it , it does work albeit low vollume ( But the tape may be crap) noticed a Cap with one of its lead come away, ook it out, not sure if it is worth trying to resolder a lead back onto it, it is bulging out a bit at the bottom ( or it could be the rubber perishing or whatever it is that is sealing it with ). So the question is what will be a modern equivelent if any to this Cap . Make: CCL 4540uf - 35v dc. WKG.vF58/$ H6 . PS: Have charged it with a diode test and it holds about 0.9v and slowly comes downwhen tested with DC meter ! . Spike Attached Thumbnails

29th Mar 2021, 4:07 pm	#2
paulsherwin Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 27,960	Re: HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 That is a 450uF 35V electrolytic capacitor. The nearest modern value is 470uF. Any replacement should be rated at 35V or higher.

29th Mar 2021, 5:50 pm	#4
Spike47 Triode Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Cleveland, North Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 32	Re: HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 Fit the new Cap, now it doesn't work at all, it worked with the old Cap with a terminal not connected, but not after puting a new Cap in, did not hear anything blown, is there an on board fuse on these machines, had a look and I can't see anything obvious. cheers Spike Last edited by Spike47; 29th Mar 2021 at 5:56 pm.

29th Mar 2021, 8:41 pm	#5
Spike47 Triode Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Cleveland, North Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 32	Re: HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 Now working ok with new Cap, forgot to put the Voltage selector back in !

29th Mar 2021, 9:10 pm	#6
dazzlevision Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Near Swindon, North Wiltshire, UK. Posts: 3,621	Re: HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 Mods - the model number is actually 2208 (according to the OP's photo), not 2210 - perhaps a change to the thread title? The two 450uF capacitors are in the two solenoid circuits (remote pause and end-of-tape stop foil contact). The HMV 2208 uses the Thorn DC43 tape deck (mechanical part) and is a three speed, four track model. Unless it has been serviced recently, you may well find that the rubber idler wheel that transmits the motor pulley drive to the capstan flywheel, doesn't move freely, due to hardened grease in its swivel arm bearing.

29th Mar 2021, 10:39 pm	#7
Michael Maurice Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wembley, Middlesex Posts: 7,225	Re: HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 (actually 2208) I personally would have fitted a capacitor with a much lower working voltage, say 35 or 50V __________________ Forum Moderator http://www.michaelmauricerepairs.co.uk/

29th Mar 2021, 11:07 pm	#8
paulsherwin Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 27,960	Re: HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 (actually 2208) If the OP has the 200V capacitor to hand, it won't do any harm.

30th Mar 2021, 8:45 am	#10
dazzlevision Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Near Swindon, North Wiltshire, UK. Posts: 3,621	Re: HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 (actually 2208) If it hasn't already been replaced with a modern component, I recommend you replace the "Hunts" (the manufacturer) 0.003uF 300Vac capacitor connected across the audio output transformer's primary winding - as per the photo. If the original type is still fitted (it might be a brown colour, but with the same markings), it will almost certainly have become more of a resistor. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by dazzlevision; 30th Mar 2021 at 8:51 am.

9th Apr 2021, 6:34 pm	#15
Spike47 Triode Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Cleveland, North Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 32	Re: HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 (actually 2208) Would this do .0.0033uF 500V Hunts Capacitors 3.3nF Axial Vintage0.0033uF Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Spike47; 9th Apr 2021 at 6:39 pm. Reason: Syntax error

9th Apr 2021, 6:40 pm	#16
Spike47 Triode Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Cleveland, North Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 32	Re: HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 (actually 2208) Is it non-Polorised ?

9th Apr 2021, 6:48 pm	#17
Spike47 Triode Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Cleveland, North Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 32	Re: HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 (actually 2208) or this :3.3nf 0.0033uF 0.0033µF 5% 630v axial metallized poly capacitor cap . Attached Thumbnails

9th Apr 2021, 6:52 pm	#18
Spike47 Triode Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Cleveland, North Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 32	Re: HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 (actually 2208) Or this : Epcos Capacitor, Y2, 3.3Nf, 300V Attached Thumbnails

9th Apr 2021, 7:11 pm	#19
Spike47 Triode Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Cleveland, North Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 32	Re: HMV Reel to Reel Tape Deck 2210 (actually 2208) Here is some more pics of the HMV 2208 Attached Thumbnails