2nd Apr 2022, 3:53 pm | #101 |
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Re: Old phones and the new BT internet-only phonelines
Having a bit of a sort out in my garage today, I put away my old BT Statesman push button phone somewhere "safe", and found a space where it was clearly visible when you walked in. (If you saw my garage, you would know what I meant!)
This has been kept for many years as we only use a cordless system. It is for proving if any fault is due to my landline and not the cordless phone, so as not to incur a callout charge. It made me think of this thread and I wondered if BT would charge for a callout if your connection is ok but the "apparatus" your phone plugs in to is at fault. I expect they would? I am still on adsl and use a phone landline, so my query may not be valid, as I am not certain exactly how the new system works. Thanks, Rob
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If you're not buying a phone/broadband service from BT, they have no mechanism to charge you. Otherwise, your broadband/phone-service-provider _may_ pass-on to you any costs they incurred from OpenReach [who operate the legacy copper infrastructure] following a fault-investigation. Truth is, I nave never known this happen!
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5th Apr 2022, 8:00 am | #104 |
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Re: Old phones and the new BT internet-only phonelines
I'm turning into an old cynic but isn't it the case that provision of a wired phone, especially where there is good mobile signal is just a reason to charge line rental alongside Broadband charges? A lot of people unplug their POTS phone and never use it.
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15th Apr 2022, 2:26 pm | #106 | |
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I did mention the issue with power cuts, he hadn't thought of that, and mentioned UPSs as well, but with the way the system is it would mean four needed for the new arrangement, over just two otherwise. OTOH they have a much more reliable supply and I don't think they have had any power cuts in the 2 1/2 years since moving in. |
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16th Apr 2022, 8:42 pm | #107 |
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Re: Old phones and the new BT INternet-only phonelines
Unless you have multiple telephone lines coming into the house, your multiple 'phones are wired in parallel back to wiring at the master socket. By connecting that wiring to a cable with a telephone plug on the end, it should be possible to connect that wiring to the telephone socket on the router, so long as you don't exceed the REN supported by the router (which admittedly might not be as high as that supported by a traditional telephone line).
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23rd Apr 2022, 2:06 pm | #108 |
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Dave, from various posts /U tube video as posted on one of the GPO/FRIENDS etc on FB there's a post on how to do this. From my understanding, it's as simple as extending the house extension wiring from the old master socket ( after disconnecting the master/NTE from the house side) and fitting a telephone plug to the cable, to connect into the router. ( As you said). Again, I've asked about the REN, but to date no reply.
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27th Apr 2022, 2:19 pm | #109 |
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If the incoming "line" is purely over say glass and the terminal equipment at any point in the connection loses power or becomes faulty then no amount of VOIP is going to be of any use in an emergency -- i.e. a need for immediate medical assistance. It's no good saying "use your mobile" as first of all, believe it or not, not everybody has one and in my and my wife's case neither of our mobiles will work inside our good old fashioned brick built home. One is on vodafone and the other is on EE and apparently the 5g signal is not even available in our area.
I should say, that my working background was primarily in private telecoms. I once asked a "BT engineer" how ISDN worked and his response was that he had just been on a course on it and it used the latest PFM techniques. Pure Flipping Magic -- Or words to that effect ! |
27th Apr 2022, 3:26 pm | #110 |
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Let's not bring ISDN into this please.
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29th Apr 2022, 3:14 pm | #112 |
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Re: Old phones and the new BT internet-only phonelines
As everything that needed to be said about this has been said, its time to put this thread back on hook.
Cheers Mike T
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