Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL3300/1 Model ? - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

camtechman · 10th Oct 2016, 10:39 pm

As the title says, anyone know. I think the factory code was "BA"

Cheers

camtechman · 17th Oct 2016, 12:45 am

Update, here's a couple of photos, one full length & the other a close up by the meter. Note the operation knob has a black plastic frame instead of white.

dazzlevision · 17th Oct 2016, 7:22 am

Isn't "BA" the code for the Croydon factory? All the Philips UK made TVs (mono and colour) that I have ever encountered had the BA prefix in their serial numbers. When the Pye Lowestoft TV factory started to make PHilips designed sets (e.g. G11 and TX), their factory code was "HU".

camtechman · 17th Oct 2016, 10:29 am

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Isn't "BA" the code for the Croydon factory?

I had an idea but wasn't certain but now I'm sure, all I've got to do now is to keep and eye out for it as it did appear for sale some months ago but I forgot to bid on it. GRRRR!

suebutcher · 9th Dec 2016, 10:43 am

Are "BA" and "BY" both codes for the Croydon factory? Or was "BY" somewhere else?

EyerexUK · 9th Dec 2016, 10:54 am

It's a shame, but a few years ago i could pop in to their office in Croydon as it's about 5 mins up the road but it's flats now

Didn't realise they had a factory down the Purley Way. You learn something new everyday.

dazzlevision · 9th Dec 2016, 1:41 pm

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Originally Posted by suebutcher

Are "BA" and "BY" both codes for the Croydon factory? Or was "BY" somewhere else?

BA was the Croydon factory code applied to complete products and BY was used to identify production changes, such as the label applied to individual plug-in modules in their G8 colour TV chassis (designed and made by Croydon).

camtechman · 9th Dec 2016, 3:13 pm

Thanks for confirming that, all I need now is to find one for my collection.

dazzlevision · 9th Dec 2016, 7:15 pm

Hello Camtechman,

I have a Croydon made EL3300 or it might be an EL3301 (will have to check). Would you like me to take and post some close-up pictures?

In particular, the type/serial number/ratings label, the controls/meter escutcheon and the innards with the bottom cover off.

Regards,

Dazzlevsion

camtechman · 10th Dec 2016, 2:43 am

Dazzlevision,

That would be very helpful, many thanks,

Tony

dazzlevision · 10th Dec 2016, 8:53 am

Here are some photos of my Philips EL3301G/15 unit, which was made in England, at the Philips Croydon factory. Note the "BA" prefix to the serial number and production info labels (and the labels both have edges like gummed postage stamps, which seems unique to Philips UK produced equipment). Made in 1966.

Sideband · 10th Dec 2016, 10:08 am

I used to have a list of factory codes....it's on a CD somewhere. I'll try and find them. It was one of the things I got from the Croydon office before it closed in 2004 and we were made redundant.

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Originally Posted by EyerexUK

Didn't realise they had a factory down the Purley Way. You learn something new everyday.

Oh yes. I used to work at the Waddon workshop which was further down firstly when it was CES and latterly Philips Service.

camtechman · 10th Dec 2016, 2:04 pm

Dazzlevision,

Great photos, I hope don't mind me taking copies for reference.

camtechman · 10th Dec 2016, 2:07 pm

Sideband,

If you can find them, they'll be helpful and if anyone sees an English one for sale, please send me a PM.

Thanks all

Tony

ricard · 10th Dec 2016, 7:40 pm

Anyone know what the "G" suffix stands for?

dazzlevision · 11th Dec 2016, 12:12 pm

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Originally Posted by camtechman

Dazzlevision,

Great photos, I hope don't mind me taking copies for reference.

No problem.

dazzlevision · 11th Dec 2016, 12:15 pm

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Originally Posted by ricard

Anyone know what the "G" suffix stands for?

I suspect it means Great Britain, as when Philips tape recorder production moved from Holland to Austria (Vienna), the suffix letter was A.

AC/HL · 11th Dec 2016, 3:31 pm

I always thought the /15 suffix meant that?

dazzlevision · 11th Dec 2016, 6:10 pm

Hello Bill,

I think the /15 or /05 suffix means "version for the UK market", not necessarily made in the UK.

For example, an analogue Philips TV destined for the UK market, designated with a /05 or 15 suffix, would have a 6MHz intercarrier sound IF strip and IFs of 39.5 and 33.5 MHz, rather than the CCIR standard for most of Western Europe of 38.9 and 33.4MHz (giving 5.5MHz inter carrier sound).

suebutcher · 12th Dec 2016, 2:40 am

There's a Philips L3G23T on richardsradios.co.uk with the serial number BY608506, so the "BY" prefix was sometimes applied to complete products and not just sub-assemblies.

10th Oct 2016, 10:39 pm	#1
camtechman Nonode Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton Keynes, Bucks. UK. Posts: 2,552	Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL3300/1 Model ? As the title says, anyone know. I think the factory code was "BA" Cheers __________________ When I die, please don't let my Wife sell my collection for the amount I told her I paid for it!

17th Oct 2016, 12:45 am	#2
camtechman Nonode Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton Keynes, Bucks. UK. Posts: 2,552	Re: Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL33OO/1 Model ? Update, here's a couple of photos, one full length & the other a close up by the meter. Note the operation knob has a black plastic frame instead of white. Attached Thumbnails __________________ When I die, please don't let my Wife sell my collection for the amount I told her I paid for it!

17th Oct 2016, 7:22 am	#3
dazzlevision Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Near Swindon, North Wiltshire, UK. Posts: 3,621	Re: Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL33OO/1 Model ? Isn't "BA" the code for the Croydon factory? All the Philips UK made TVs (mono and colour) that I have ever encountered had the BA prefix in their serial numbers. When the Pye Lowestoft TV factory started to make PHilips designed sets (e.g. G11 and TX), their factory code was "HU".

9th Dec 2016, 10:43 am	#5
suebutcher Heptode Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Daylesford, Victoria, Australia Posts: 675	Re: Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL3300/1 Model ? Are "BA" and "BY" both codes for the Croydon factory? Or was "BY" somewhere else? __________________ The Waves That Rule Britannia

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EyerexUK Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Croydon, London, UK. Posts: 5	Re: Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL3300/1 Model ? It's a shame, but a few years ago i could pop in to their office in Croydon as it's about 5 mins up the road but it's flats now Didn't realise they had a factory down the Purley Way. You learn something new everyday.

9th Dec 2016, 3:13 pm	#8
camtechman Nonode Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton Keynes, Bucks. UK. Posts: 2,552	Re: Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL3300/1 Model ? Thanks for confirming that, all I need now is to find one for my collection. __________________ When I die, please don't let my Wife sell my collection for the amount I told her I paid for it!

9th Dec 2016, 7:15 pm	#9
dazzlevision Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Near Swindon, North Wiltshire, UK. Posts: 3,621	Re: Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL3300/1 Model ? Hello Camtechman, I have a Croydon made EL3300 or it might be an EL3301 (will have to check). Would you like me to take and post some close-up pictures? In particular, the type/serial number/ratings label, the controls/meter escutcheon and the innards with the bottom cover off. Regards, Dazzlevsion Last edited by dazzlevision; 9th Dec 2016 at 7:17 pm. Reason: Added text.

10th Dec 2016, 2:43 am	#10
camtechman Nonode Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton Keynes, Bucks. UK. Posts: 2,552	Re: Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL3300/1 Model ? Dazzlevision, That would be very helpful, many thanks, Tony __________________ When I die, please don't let my Wife sell my collection for the amount I told her I paid for it!

10th Dec 2016, 8:53 am	#11
dazzlevision Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Near Swindon, North Wiltshire, UK. Posts: 3,621	Re: Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL3300/1 Model ? Here are some photos of my Philips EL3301G/15 unit, which was made in England, at the Philips Croydon factory. Note the "BA" prefix to the serial number and production info labels (and the labels both have edges like gummed postage stamps, which seems unique to Philips UK produced equipment). Made in 1966. Attached Thumbnails

10th Dec 2016, 2:04 pm	#13
camtechman Nonode Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton Keynes, Bucks. UK. Posts: 2,552	Re: Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL3300/1 Model ? Dazzlevision, Great photos, I hope don't mind me taking copies for reference. __________________ When I die, please don't let my Wife sell my collection for the amount I told her I paid for it!

10th Dec 2016, 2:07 pm	#14
camtechman Nonode Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton Keynes, Bucks. UK. Posts: 2,552	Re: Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL3300/1 Model ? Sideband, If you can find them, they'll be helpful and if anyone sees an English one for sale, please send me a PM. Thanks all Tony __________________ When I die, please don't let my Wife sell my collection for the amount I told her I paid for it!

10th Dec 2016, 7:40 pm	#15
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dazzlevision Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Near Swindon, North Wiltshire, UK. Posts: 3,621	Re: Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL3300/1 Model ? Hello Bill, I think the /15 or /05 suffix means "version for the UK market", not necessarily made in the UK. For example, an analogue Philips TV destined for the UK market, designated with a /05 or 15 suffix, would have a 6MHz intercarrier sound IF strip and IFs of 39.5 and 33.5 MHz, rather than the CCIR standard for most of Western Europe of 38.9 and 33.4MHz (giving 5.5MHz inter carrier sound).

12th Dec 2016, 2:40 am	#20
suebutcher Heptode Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Daylesford, Victoria, Australia Posts: 675	Re: Which Philips Factory Made The "English" EL3300/1 Model ? There's a Philips L3G23T on richardsradios.co.uk with the serial number BY608506, so the "BY" prefix was sometimes applied to complete products and not just sub-assemblies. __________________ The Waves That Rule Britannia