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8th May 2021, 6:37 pm | #21 |
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Re: Fidelity HF22 Suitcase Record Player
Pictures of record player 1 of 3.
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8th May 2021, 6:40 pm | #22 |
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Re: Fidelity HF22 Suitcase Record Player
Pictures of record player 2 of 3.
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8th May 2021, 6:41 pm | #23 |
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Re: Fidelity HF22 Suitcase Record Player
Pictures of record player 3 of 3.
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8th May 2021, 7:31 pm | #24 |
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Re: Fidelity HF22 Suitcase Record Player
Thanks for sharing the photos, OP - I've sent you a PM.
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8th May 2021, 7:39 pm | #25 | |
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Re: Fidelity HF22 Suitcase Record Player
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4V does seem an extraordinarily high output for a record player cartridge especially as it's supposed to match into a load impedance of 47K according to the information on the website. I think that information is a bit suspect to say the least. TimR
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Re: Fidelity HF22 Suitcase Record Player
The problem with modifying the HF22 is, by the time you're done with it, it won't really be a HF22 anymore. You will probably need to modify the tonearm to fit a stereo-friendly cartridge, which in turn probably will require a preamplifier. And then the result might still not be very good; a decent input signal from a good cartridge or a Bluetooth receiver probably will expose the weaknesses of the speaker, which was never going to be expected to handle those bottom and top notes in the first place. You could fit a modern amplifier and full-range speaker, but by now you are well and truly sweeping the decks of the Ship of Theseus with Trigger's Broom.
It's almost better off left the way it was made, as a static exhibit rather than an everyday working piece. Certainly the right collector will pay more for it in that state. A bit sad, but the world has moved on .....
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9th May 2021, 12:19 am | #27 |
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Re: Fidelity HF22 Suitcase Record Player
To be fair, I was just going to fit a Bluetooth module to cash in on the current fad for 're-purposing' everything regardless of the practicality. However, I agree with the jist of what you say and knowing me, rather than sweeping the decks of the Ship of Theseus I'd have probably ended up clinging desperately to the wreckage having driven the poor vessel onto the rocks of misplaced enthusiasm.
As you suggest, a collector who wants it for itself, for its place in history, and as a product of its time will be the ideal custodian. I thank you all for your thoughts and opinions so freely and generously given. TimR
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9th May 2021, 9:36 am | #28 |
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Re: Fidelity HF22 Suitcase Record Player
This Thread seems to have reached a satisfactory conclusion. I would just like to add that just about every aspect of the so-called "Specification" of the BSR TC8H as shown under #17 is incorrect and potentially misleading.
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Re: Fidelity HF22 Suitcase Record Player
That being the case why not post the correct specification for the benefit of members rather than criticising another forum member's efforts?
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Is a more likely spec Edit: How serendipitous was that post cross?
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Re: Fidelity HF22 Suitcase Record Player
I had one of these awful things, how could we trust them with our records! It was so boring I put a neon in it, wired across the primary of the output transformer, (my own sound to light unit) it was almost embarrasing carrying it round. I'm not knocking yours in any way by the way. Happy days, 60s, 70s, bring 'em back.
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Re: Fidelity HF22 Suitcase Record Player
Just noticed..... 4V@5cm/sec in the "dodgy" spec isn't far off the ~1V@1.2cm/sec in the mfr's spec. The 47k load is way off though. Someone had their "magnetic" hat on, perhaps?
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Re: Fidelity HF22 Suitcase Record Player
Thank you Edward and Graham for this supplementary information. These older cartridges certainly generated quite a signal which I suppose they had to, to be able to drive an EL84 or UL84 directly. However I guess you paid the price in terms of tracking weight and lack of compliance. The amplifier was certainly very simple and minimalist.
On reflection, I should probably have been less trusting of the information in the website and not taken it at face value. TimR Quote:
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Hi Tony
I know what you're saying, but they were what they were, they were pretty affordable and they gave youngsters a record player to play their 'pop music' on without using their parents Hacker Gondolier or Pye Black Box (insert other quality, heavy and expensive models of your choice). They sold in their thousands and provided good service to their young owners. Best regards TimR Quote:
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10th May 2021, 7:50 pm | #36 |
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On a point of detail, you describe your HF22 as a "Suitacase" record player. The models like yours were actually described as "Vanity Case" players to differentiate them and because they looked like, er, Vanity Cases - and so sold very well to Teenage Girls. They were very light to carry and just looked the part.
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You are of course quite correct...my mistake. I don't really know much about either Vanity Cases or teenaged girls. However, I believe the particular Fidelity record player which is the subject of this topic was in fact originally owned by a teenaged girl back in the sixties. TimR Quote:
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