Philips HX428A Turntable Help - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

jpounder931 · 24th Apr 2016, 10:44 pm

Hi All,

New guy here...

Hopefully you can help me or point me in the right direction.

I've just inherited a Radio/Gramophone and can't seem to get the turntable to work.

The radio works and is receiving power but the turntable just won't start.

It might be something simple (here's hoping...)

Thanks in advance

James

Edward Huggins · 24th Apr 2016, 10:59 pm

Just swing the pick up arm over to the right, this should start the motor. Edward

slidertogrid · 24th Apr 2016, 11:10 pm

Hi James
Welcome to the forum!

I am not familiar with the model, but a lot of Philips single play record players had a motor switch controlled by the pickup arm. To start you lift the arm from the rest and move it backwards slightly away from the turntable. The deck will then start. When it reaches the end of the record it should trip the switch and stop the deck. Some decks will return the arm to the rest before stopping. The more basic ones just stopped with the stylus in the lead out groove.
Hope this helps.
regards,
Rich.

RojDW48 · 24th Apr 2016, 11:27 pm

Yes to the above. This is the compact little record deck that Philips fitted to lots of models. Should have a twistable head to change styli - N = Normal or 78, M = Microgroove - 33s and 45s. Good luck!

jpounder931 · 25th Apr 2016, 7:43 am

Thanks for the quick reply both,

I tried moving the arm away from the turntable to kick start it but still no luck (I'm probably doing something wrong)

The speakers do make a "popping" sound when you move the arm away and towards the turntable but it isn't turning.

Do you think I'm doing something wrong or could it be something more serious?

I'm desperate to get it working I have a record that I brought back from Nashville i'd love to play

Many thanks

James

Station X · 25th Apr 2016, 10:23 am

The pop from the speaker when the arm is moved suggests that the motor switch is operating correctly.

Can you hear the motor running? It may have seized.

peter_sol · 25th Apr 2016, 12:21 pm

The speed lever needs to be moved to 33,45 or 78 it is at zero at the moment.

AC/HL · 25th Apr 2016, 4:30 pm

Also, check the grub screw on the stepped motor pulley.

jpounder931 · 25th Apr 2016, 6:08 pm

Thanks Guys,

I've finally got some movement on speed 78 (not sure whether it's full speed as it takes some time to get going)

As soon as I switch it to 45/33 it stops. Must be seized up....

Any DIY tips to take it further?

It's so close I can feel it

James

Ed_Dinning · 25th Apr 2016, 8:26 pm

Hi James, the deck probably needs to be serviced as most of the grease will have dried out and gone hard. The idler pulley that links the motor to the turntable could be slipping or the motor mounts could be loose. All stock faults on this type of deck.
Do you have the skills to strip it and sort it yourself?

Ed

jpounder931 · 26th Apr 2016, 1:07 am

Hi Ed,

No I don't to be fair, I'd rather leave it to someone more qualified than myself to do that.
I notice you are local, anywhere you would recommend?

Many thanks

James

AC/HL · 26th Apr 2016, 2:55 am

To look for someone willing to do this for you, try a post in this section: https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...play.php?f=145

jpounder931 · 26th Apr 2016, 11:44 am

Thanks all for your help.

James

jpounder931 · 26th Apr 2016, 3:05 pm

Just out of interest, is it likely to be worth any money?

It's from the 50's I believe...

Many thanks

James

Audio1950 · 26th Apr 2016, 4:46 pm

Usually, Philips record players from this era are avoided like the plague, because the original "tilting" cartridges are usually dead, and replacements are extremely expensive.
Yours, however, has already had a replacement cartridge fitted, so if you can get the turntable working, I would think it should sell for around the £30 -40 mark. It has to be said though, that these are not the most attractive record players from that era, so be prepared to be flexible if you decide to sell it.

Barry

24th Apr 2016, 10:44 pm	#1
jpounder931 Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Hartlepool, County Durham, UK. Posts: 7	Philips HX428A Turntable Help Hi All, New guy here... Hopefully you can help me or point me in the right direction. I've just inherited a Radio/Gramophone and can't seem to get the turntable to work. The radio works and is receiving power but the turntable just won't start. It might be something simple (here's hoping...) Thanks in advance James

24th Apr 2016, 10:59 pm	#2
Edward Huggins Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Southwold, Suffolk, UK. Posts: 8,326	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help Just swing the pick up arm over to the right, this should start the motor. Edward

24th Apr 2016, 11:10 pm	#3
slidertogrid Octode Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, UK. Posts: 1,898	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help Hi James Welcome to the forum! I am not familiar with the model, but a lot of Philips single play record players had a motor switch controlled by the pickup arm. To start you lift the arm from the rest and move it backwards slightly away from the turntable. The deck will then start. When it reaches the end of the record it should trip the switch and stop the deck. Some decks will return the arm to the rest before stopping. The more basic ones just stopped with the stylus in the lead out groove. Hope this helps. regards, Rich. __________________ The rotation of the earth really makes my day...

24th Apr 2016, 11:27 pm	#4
RojDW48 Nonode Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Bristol, UK. Posts: 2,074	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help Yes to the above. This is the compact little record deck that Philips fitted to lots of models. Should have a twistable head to change styli - N = Normal or 78, M = Microgroove - 33s and 45s. Good luck!

25th Apr 2016, 7:43 am	#5
jpounder931 Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Hartlepool, County Durham, UK. Posts: 7	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help Thanks for the quick reply both, I tried moving the arm away from the turntable to kick start it but still no luck (I'm probably doing something wrong) The speakers do make a "popping" sound when you move the arm away and towards the turntable but it isn't turning. Do you think I'm doing something wrong or could it be something more serious? I'm desperate to get it working I have a record that I brought back from Nashville i'd love to play Many thanks James Attached Thumbnails

25th Apr 2016, 10:23 am	#6
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 21,286	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help The pop from the speaker when the arm is moved suggests that the motor switch is operating correctly. Can you hear the motor running? It may have seized. __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Reach for your meter before you reach for your soldering iron.

25th Apr 2016, 12:21 pm	#7
peter_sol Octode Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Welwyn Garden City, Herts. UK. Posts: 1,906	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help The speed lever needs to be moved to 33,45 or 78 it is at zero at the moment.

25th Apr 2016, 4:30 pm	#8
AC/HL Dekatron Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Heckmondwike, West Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 9,642	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help Also, check the grub screw on the stepped motor pulley.

25th Apr 2016, 6:08 pm	#9
jpounder931 Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Hartlepool, County Durham, UK. Posts: 7	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help Thanks Guys, I've finally got some movement on speed 78 (not sure whether it's full speed as it takes some time to get going) As soon as I switch it to 45/33 it stops. Must be seized up.... Any DIY tips to take it further? It's so close I can feel it James

25th Apr 2016, 8:26 pm	#10
Ed_Dinning Dekatron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, Tyne & Wear, UK. Posts: 8,194	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help Hi James, the deck probably needs to be serviced as most of the grease will have dried out and gone hard. The idler pulley that links the motor to the turntable could be slipping or the motor mounts could be loose. All stock faults on this type of deck. Do you have the skills to strip it and sort it yourself? Ed

26th Apr 2016, 1:07 am	#11
jpounder931 Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Hartlepool, County Durham, UK. Posts: 7	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help Hi Ed, No I don't to be fair, I'd rather leave it to someone more qualified than myself to do that. I notice you are local, anywhere you would recommend? Many thanks James

26th Apr 2016, 2:55 am	#12
AC/HL Dekatron Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Heckmondwike, West Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 9,642	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help To look for someone willing to do this for you, try a post in this section: https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...play.php?f=145

26th Apr 2016, 11:44 am	#13
jpounder931 Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Hartlepool, County Durham, UK. Posts: 7	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help Thanks all for your help. James

26th Apr 2016, 3:05 pm	#14
jpounder931 Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Hartlepool, County Durham, UK. Posts: 7	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help Just out of interest, is it likely to be worth any money? It's from the 50's I believe... Many thanks James

26th Apr 2016, 4:46 pm	#15
Audio1950 Dekatron Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Whittlesey, near Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, UK. Posts: 3,761	Re: Philips HX428A Turntable Help Usually, Philips record players from this era are avoided like the plague, because the original "tilting" cartridges are usually dead, and replacements are extremely expensive. Yours, however, has already had a replacement cartridge fitted, so if you can get the turntable working, I would think it should sell for around the £30 -40 mark. It has to be said though, that these are not the most attractive record players from that era, so be prepared to be flexible if you decide to sell it. Barry