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26th Jul 2022, 10:04 pm | #21 |
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Re: Leak Stereo 30 Plus
I've had a look at the OP's pictures and that capacitor C37 between P5 and R54 appears to me to be coded orange–black–brown (my colour vision certainly isn't defective,
despite the parlous state of the rest of it!), which makes it 300p, however all the available diagrams mark this as 200p, so that could be a camera abberation making red look orange to me!) and that value was quite commonly offered in that particular range (I think they were Erie Manufacture). I've got a Leak Stereo 30 book and one of these amplifiers in Wharfedale disguise with piano–key switches, so if anybody needs anything, please let me know! As other Members have commented, it's very unlikely that C37 needs replacement, but you can get a high quality silver–mica replacement here :– https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120797119...mis&media=COPY Chris Williams
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26th Jul 2022, 10:56 pm | #22 |
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It certainly looks like 300pF. The orange is very similar to the shade of orange on the 33k resistor at the top of the PCB. Nearest modern equivalent would be 330pF. The extra 30pF can be ignored.
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27th Jul 2022, 9:06 am | #23 |
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Re: Leak Stereo 30 Plus
To save confusion, I think you will find that the resistor at the top is actually a 22KΩ, not 33KΩ... It's R49.
Interesting to observe that we all see red in different ways, perhaps due to the setting of our computers and screens as well as our eyesight? I'm sure the OP will be able to see what the leading colour is and perhaps confirm.
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27th Jul 2022, 10:13 am | #24 |
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The colour sensitivity of most digital cameras extends a bit more into the IR region than does our natural vision, so colour rendition can look normal most of the time, while still giving the off surprise. The classic example of this is in photographs of bluebells which exhibit quite a significant difference from real life, going somewhat purple-y. The camera is responding to some colour components we can't see and they get assigned as red.
In photographic circles, it's quite popular to take a digital camera once it's no longer seen as any significant value, and strip off the RGB colour separation filter from the sensor. This gives a B&W camera with useful IR sensitivity, so fit an IR pass filter (on a lens that's known to pass IR), and get on with taking creepy ghostly photos. David
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27th Jul 2022, 1:24 pm | #25 |
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What checks did you do? How did you test the transistors? Did you check the output transistors?
It's quite possible for a fault to make the quiescent current enough to blow the fuse but for it to be lower when unstable without the capacitor. |
27th Jul 2022, 4:20 pm | #26 | |
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Have placed an order for the cap from the link that snowman_ul provided, and yes have one of those testers from China, for some reason never thought to use it on this cap I tried it today and the cap reads ok, so that blows my theory out of the water I notice that your location is Croydon, that’s quite close to Redhill isn’t it? Used to travel down there from North Wales to spend my school summer holidays in the 1950's (opps given my age away there) with my uncle and aunt. Happy days. |
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27th Jul 2022, 4:24 pm | #27 | |
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27th Jul 2022, 4:27 pm | #28 |
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27th Jul 2022, 5:24 pm | #29 |
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40 or 60 watt should be okay for simple testing. Just note they have to be filament (incandescent) or halogen types. Not LED or fluorescents.
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27th Jul 2022, 5:46 pm | #30 | |
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27th Jul 2022, 7:48 pm | #31 |
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I suggest you do some resistance checks before trying to power up again. Set your DMM for resistance and check the probe leads are inserted in the correct +/- sockets. Putting the -ve on the base measure the resistance from base to collector then base to emitter. Repeat with the +ve probe on the base. Repeat for all 4 transistors on the PCB and the two power transistors. Then repeat the same tests on the good board.
Faulty T6 Base- bc=?ohms, be=?ohms: Base+ bc=?ohms, be=?ohms Good T6 Base- bc=?ohms, be=?ohms: Base+ bc=?ohms, be=?ohms Faulty T7 Base- bc=?ohms, be=?ohms: Base+ bc=?ohms, be=?ohms Good T7 Base- bc=?ohms, be=?ohms: Base+ bc=?ohms, be=?ohms And so on... Post the results here. A bit laborious but risk free, whilst using the lamp limiter can easily cause component damage as well as it being difficult to take voltage readings on the PCB when installed in the socket. |
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27th Jul 2022, 8:52 pm | #33 | |
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27th Jul 2022, 9:59 pm | #34 |
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Can you confirm that you put the working amp board in both sockets and in each case the amplifier worked? If that is the case then the output transistors and associated bias diodes in both channels must be OK.
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28th Jul 2022, 10:05 am | #35 |
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28th Jul 2022, 12:07 pm | #36 |
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Have you measured the quiescent current of the output transistors on each channel?
The pre-set potentiometer on the power amplifier PCB sets the quiescent current through the output transistors. If you swap boards, you cannot assume that the previous setting will be good for the other output channel transistors. You need to adjust the pre-set for minimum quiescent current before you turn on the power. There is a removable link for the insertion of an ammeter to measure the quiescent current through the output transistors. If the test leads fall off during the procedure, some components can be damaged. I soldered a 1 Ohm resistor across the link terminals and left it there. I then measure the voltage across it to calculate the quiescent current. When I have finished adjusting the quiescent current, I solder a small link wire across it to act as a bypass. |
28th Jul 2022, 12:35 pm | #37 |
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Yes I did set it a few months back on the good board. Obviously, not done it on the faulty one (yet).
Re the 1 ohm resistor across the link before testing, I'm sure it's a good idea, excuse my ignorance, but what does that achieve? Thanks |
28th Jul 2022, 12:56 pm | #38 |
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I did not realise you had already tested the transistors out of circuit on a transistor tester. The fuse has also protected the output transistors so far so ideally we don't want to put those at risk. To blow a 1.6A fuse implies there is a serious fault that is not going to be due to an incorrect bias setting.
The resistance checks on the transistors may still reveal a problem so still worthwhile. |
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28th Jul 2022, 8:38 pm | #40 |
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