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Old 29th May 2019, 6:55 pm   #181
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That flat-shaped bulb envelope was also used in WWII-era Enigma machines, and I guess they are almost as rare today.
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Old 29th May 2019, 6:56 pm   #182
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What a pain. You just know that someone somewhere has a box of NOS lamps collecting dust, it's just finding them that's the problem.

It has been known for a 'wanted' request on this Forum to result in ads springing up shortly afterwards on ebay or other popular trading sites.

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Old 29th May 2019, 7:16 pm   #183
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If you do find a clear replacement, it could be coloured using some transparent paint that is sold by model shops. Revell and Tamiya (but not Humbrol) do it in blue. It's what I use when replacing blown Christmas tree lights, now only having clear spares.
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Old 29th May 2019, 10:27 pm   #184
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These flat topped bulbs do turn up occasionally on ebay.
Searching for them is exceedingly tedious however since I cant think of any specific search terms.
"vintage torch bulbs" should find them but will also include huge numbers of new and newish products and large numbers of other miniature lamps.
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Old 30th May 2019, 4:55 am   #185
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A little more modern than the above torches, there was a vintage-ish torch in a charity shop in Orpington yesterday.

I would guess 1970's vintage, made in Hong Kong according to the (original) box. It runs off 4 C-size cells (or 'UM1' as they call them). It's approximately square in cross section, a little wider than 2 C cells side by side and a little longer than 2 C cells end to end if you see what I mean.

There is a translucent panel on the side of the body, illuminated by an internal bulb. And a reflector on the end with another bulb. A centre-off slide switch selects one or the other (but not both). Both bulbs are those 'pre-focus' flanged type.

There are 2 unusual features (at least to me), both relate to the reflector thing. The first is that in the middle of the 'lens' for that reflector there's a plastic knob. Turning it screws down a transparent red plastic sleeve around the bulb, thus turning that beam red. The second is that inside the torch behind the reflector there's a clip to store a spare bulb. That bulb is present and it's one of those flashing bulbs with an internal bimetallic strip. The instructions on the side of the box imply you can swap the bulbs over to get a flashing red light.

Note I said is 'was' in the charity shop. I don't normally collect torches but this looked unsual enough to add to my collection of odd electrical things.

I can't find any pictures of it on the web, I'll try to take some of mine sometime.
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Old 30th May 2019, 11:24 am   #186
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Not really a collector, but they do seem to accumulate.

Here's some of the more unusual ones.....
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Old 30th May 2019, 1:08 pm   #187
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Not much help, probably, but I actually bought a 'flattened' 2.5v torch bulb from a stall at the NVCF this year. The seller had a box of them. It's clear fronted with a white rear half to the glass. I got it to replace the fuse bulb in a current project, - a 1929 Osram Music Magnet.
I'm afraid I didn't note the name of the seller, but IIRC he was in the first row of the 'lower' part of the hall, towards the right hand when when looking from the main entrance.
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Old 30th May 2019, 3:52 pm   #188
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Hi Terry, I also had a couple of bulbs off him. At a pound each I couldn't resist.. Sadly I didn't get his name either. Hopefully he'll be back next year.

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Old 30th May 2019, 7:37 pm   #189
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If Paul is really stuck for a flattened bulb, it's not essential that my Music Magnet has that particular shape so if he sends me a PM he can have mine. It only acts as a fuse in the HT - lead so it will (I hope) just sit invisibly doing nothing. In the event of a fault, it will enjoy a second of brightness then that will be the end of it. A much better use would be in an interesting looking torch. A normal torch bulb would be fine for my application.
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Old 30th May 2019, 9:46 pm   #190
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Thanks for the offer M0TGX Terry but I have tested them and both bulbs work. Neither torch looks like it has had much use so I am hopeful these bulbs will last. They will not be everyday torches.

I did not post a picture of the Goltone torch so that is rectified below. That is the main variant in the Ward and Goldstone patent. The Duchess type being an alternative to allow it to be powered from one battery.

Again a rather nice torch this time with the clear bulb but again the flat type.

I don't suppose anyone knows what batteries this would use? The compartment is 40mm high so the battery would be slightly smaller than that to allow for the top and bottom contacts. McMurdo posted an advert with some similar (though no doubt cheaper and Empire made) Pifco torches. I have seen a photo of the innards of one of these but it had batteries running lengthways (so a AAA fits) rather than top to bottom as the design calls for. I have also seen an American Boy Scout metal torch which had the same layout and the same reddish card inset with battery orientation indented in it. But sadly no batteries were shown.

For completeness I attach some photos of the Duchess now working. I took The Philpott's advice about depleted batteries and raided a part used 3LR12 for two of the cells cut the plastic container down to fit the two cells and created my own 2LR12. I could not find any photos of Ever Ready (or indeed Volex) batteries but did find some good ones of Pile Wonder so my Panasonic cells are masquerading as French.
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