Is everthing that looks like a camera a camera? - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

Cobaltblue · 8th May 2018, 8:21 pm

On the Smartmeter thread it was starting to move away to other tracking methods.

I was going to let someone else start this thread but I though I am in that industry why not start it.

So as previously mentioned not everything that looks like a camera is not a camera thats true.

Secondly many cameras anonomalise data they are designed for JTMS (journey time measurement) not for tracking.

There are devices that capture the bluetooth or wifi from your phone for the same reason.

So lets open ther debate

Cheers

Mike T

Cobaltblue · 8th May 2018, 8:47 pm

Thought I would add a few definitions of the cameras you do need to worry about.

Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) outstation – a high security cabinet containing a tamper and environmental monitoring unit, ancillary services and ANPR camera for capturing vehicle data.

Evidence Retrieval and Control Unit (ERCU) – collects passage data, checks for speed violations across a link and produces encrypted Violation Records when a speed violation is detected. Futhermore, the ERCU will also manage ANPR outstations and collect diagnostic data.

Offence Viewing and Decision System (OVDS) – provides database review station to view, verify and store offence data and to process offences to the back-office.

Cobaltblue · 8th May 2018, 10:11 pm

Oh and in case you think this isn't vintage a lot of this stuff goes back 40 years and more.

kellys_eye · 8th May 2018, 10:26 pm

Such topics can only (inevitably?) end up as political discussions, outwith the permission of the forum.

All I can offer is that I've heard (but cannot confirm) that many so-called speed cameras are empty boxes but if there was a genuine need to reduce accidents then such 'fakery' should be more common rather than being disguised in a fashion that can only be declared as 'revenue-gathering machines'.

See what I mean about it being (inevitably) 'political'?

Graham G3ZVT · 8th May 2018, 10:31 pm

Cobaltblue, Is there anything in the public domain that shows the track of a vehicle during a days motoring as the police would see it if they punched your reg in.

The overlay of Bluetooth IDs is an obvious reality, but I wonder how joined-up it all is, but I suppose the answer must be it's more sophisticated than most of us imagine.

Whilst interesting, none the definitions and acronyms of the various systems preclude their use in tracking should the need arise.

paulsherwin · 8th May 2018, 10:42 pm

Sorry folks, but this is completely off topic for the forum.

8th May 2018, 8:21 pm	#1
Cobaltblue Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Exeter, Devon and Poole, Dorset UK. Posts: 6,878	Is everthing that looks like a camera a camera? On the Smartmeter thread it was starting to move away to other tracking methods. I was going to let someone else start this thread but I though I am in that industry why not start it. So as previously mentioned not everything that looks like a camera is not a camera thats true. Secondly many cameras anonomalise data they are designed for JTMS (journey time measurement) not for tracking. There are devices that capture the bluetooth or wifi from your phone for the same reason. So lets open ther debate Cheers Mike T __________________ Invisible airwaves crackle with life or at least they used to Mike T BVWS member. www.cossor.co.uk

8th May 2018, 8:47 pm	#2
Cobaltblue Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Exeter, Devon and Poole, Dorset UK. Posts: 6,878	Re: Is everthing that looks like a camera a camera? Thought I would add a few definitions of the cameras you do need to worry about. Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) outstation – a high security cabinet containing a tamper and environmental monitoring unit, ancillary services and ANPR camera for capturing vehicle data. Evidence Retrieval and Control Unit (ERCU) – collects passage data, checks for speed violations across a link and produces encrypted Violation Records when a speed violation is detected. Futhermore, the ERCU will also manage ANPR outstations and collect diagnostic data. Offence Viewing and Decision System (OVDS) – provides database review station to view, verify and store offence data and to process offences to the back-office. __________________ Invisible airwaves crackle with life or at least they used to Mike T BVWS member. www.cossor.co.uk

8th May 2018, 10:11 pm	#3
Cobaltblue Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Exeter, Devon and Poole, Dorset UK. Posts: 6,878	Re: Is everthing that looks like a camera a camera? Oh and in case you think this isn't vintage a lot of this stuff goes back 40 years and more. __________________ Invisible airwaves crackle with life or at least they used to Mike T BVWS member. www.cossor.co.uk

8th May 2018, 10:26 pm	#4
kellys_eye Octode Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Oban, Scotland, UK. Posts: 1,129	Re: Is everthing that looks like a camera a camera? Such topics can only (inevitably?) end up as political discussions, outwith the permission of the forum. All I can offer is that I've heard (but cannot confirm) that many so-called speed cameras are empty boxes but if there was a genuine need to reduce accidents then such 'fakery' should be more common rather than being disguised in a fashion that can only be declared as 'revenue-gathering machines'. See what I mean about it being (inevitably) 'political'?

8th May 2018, 10:31 pm	#5
Graham G3ZVT Dekatron Join Date: May 2010 Location: Greater Manchester, UK. Posts: 18,724	Re: Is everthing that looks like a camera a camera? Cobaltblue, Is there anything in the public domain that shows the track of a vehicle during a days motoring as the police would see it if they punched your reg in. The overlay of Bluetooth IDs is an obvious reality, but I wonder how joined-up it all is, but I suppose the answer must be it's more sophisticated than most of us imagine. Whilst interesting, none the definitions and acronyms of the various systems preclude their use in tracking should the need arise. __________________ -- Graham. G3ZVT

8th May 2018, 10:42 pm	#6
paulsherwin Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 27,967	Re: Is everthing that looks like a camera a camera? Sorry folks, but this is completely off topic for the forum.